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Reality Check - 11/14/2004 10:59:54 AM   
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Here is some food for thought.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines


Obscenity: For the first time in 10 years, the U.S. government is spending millions to file charges across the country.



By Laura Sullivan
Sun National Staff

April 6, 2004

WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in guestrooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10 billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.

The Justice Department recently hired Bruce Taylor, who was instrumental in a handful of convictions obtained over the past year and unsuccessfully represented the state in a 1981 case, Larry Flynt vs. Ohio.

Flynt, who recently opened a Hustler nightclub in Baltimore, says everyone in the business is wary, making sure their taxes are paid and the "talent" is over 18. He says he's ready for a rematch, especially with Taylor.

"Everyone's concerned," Flynt said in an interview. "We deal in plain old vanilla sex. Nothing really outrageous. But who knows, they may want a big target like myself."

A recent episode of Showtime's Family Business, a reality show about Adam Glasser, an adult film director and entrepreneur in California, had him worrying about shipping his material to states more apt to prosecute. It also featured him organizing a pornographic Internet telethon to raise money for targets of prosecution.

Drew Oosterbaan, chief of the division in charge of obscenity prosecutions at the Justice Department, says officials are trying to send a message and halt an industry they see as growing increasingly "lawless."

"We want to do everything we can to deter this conduct" by producers and consumers, Oosterbaan said. "Nothing is off the table as far as content."

Money and friends

It is unclear, though, just how the American public and major corporations that make money from pornography will accept the perspective of the Justice Department and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Any move against mainstream pornography could affect large telephone companies offering broadband Internet service or the dozens of national credit card companies providing payment services to pornographic Web sites.

Cable television, meanwhile, which has found late-night lineups with "adult programming" highly profitable, is unlikely to budge, and such companies have powerful friends.

Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast, which offers "hard-core" porn on the Hot Network channel (at $11.99 per film in Baltimore), was co-chair of Philadelphia 2000, the host committee that brought the Republican National Convention to Philadelphia. In February, the Bush campaign honored Comcast President Stephen Burke with "Ranger" status, for agreeing to raise at least $200,000 for the president's re-election effort. Comcast's executive vice president, David Cohen, has close ties to Gov. Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Tim Fitzpatrick, the spokesman for Comcast at its corporate headquarters in Philadelphia, declined to comment on the cable network's adult programming. But officials at the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, which Roberts used to chair, said adult programming is legal, relies on subscription services for access and has been upheld by the courts for years.

"Good luck turning back that clock," said Paul Rodriguez, a spokesman for the association.

Ashcroft vs. consent

In a speech in 2002, Ashcroft made it clear that the Justice Department intends to try. He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."

Given the millions of dollars Americans are spending each month on adult cable television, Internet sites and magazines and videos, many may see themselves not as victims but as consumers, with an expectation of rights, choices and privacy.

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance, and has fought unrelenting criticism that he has trod roughshod on civil liberties in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, is taking on the porn industry at a time when many experts say Americans are wary about government intrusion into their lives.

The Bush administration is eager to shore up its conservative base with this issue. Ashcroft held private meetings with conservative groups a year and a half ago to assure them that anti-porn efforts are a priority.

But administration critics and First Amendment rights attorneys warn that the initiative could smack of Big Brother, and that targeting such a broad range of readily available materials could backfire.

"They are miscalculating the pulse of the community," said attorney Paul Cambria, who has gone head to head with Taylor in cases dating to the 1970s.

"I think a lot of adults would say this is not what they had in mind, spending millions of dollars and the time of the courts and FBI agents and postal inspectors and prosecutors investigating what consenting adults are doing and watching."

The law itself rests on the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision in Miller vs. California, which held that something is "obscene" only if an average person applying contemporary community standards finds it patently offensive. But until now, it hasn't been prosecuted at the federal level for more than 10 years.

Since the last time he faced Taylor, Flynt's empire has grown into a multimillion-dollar corporation with a large, almost conservative-looking headquarters in California, where he and executives in dark suits oversee the company's dozens of men's clubs, sex stores and more than 30 magazines.

"He's basically crusaded against everything I've fought for for the past 30 years," Flynt said. "This is for consenting adults. They have the right to view what they want to in the privacy of their own home. And even if they don't enjoy these materials, they still don't want to be looking over their neighbors' shoulders."

Cases and results

Taylor, who has been involved in the prosecution of more than 700 pornography cases since the 1970s, including at the Justice Department in the late 1980s and early '90s, declined to be interviewed. But he did talk to reporters for the PBS program Frontline in 2001, when he was president of the National Law Center for Children and Families, an anti-porn group.

"Just about everything on the Internet and almost everything in the video stores and everything in the adult bookstores is still prosecutable illegal obscenity," he said.

"Some of the cable versions of porno movies are prosecutable. Once it becomes obvious that this really is a federal felony instead of just a form of entertainment or investment, then legitimate companies, to stay legitimate, are going to have to distance themselves from it."


The Justice Department pursued obscenity cases vigorously in the 1970s and '80s, prosecuting not necessarily the worst offenders in terms of extreme material, but those it viewed as most responsible for pornography's proliferation.

Oosterbaan said the department is employing much the same strategy this time, targeting not only some of the most egregious hard-core porn but also more conventional material, in an effort "to be as effective as possible."

"I can't possibly put it all away," he said. "Results are what we want."


The strategy in the 1980s resulted in a lot of extreme pornography - dealing in urination, violence or bestiality - going underground. Today, with the Internet, international producers and a substantial market, industry officials say there is no underground.

Obscenity cases came to a standstill under Janet Reno, President Bill Clinton's attorney general, who focused on child pornography, which is considered child abuse and comes under different criminal statutes. The ensuing years saw an explosion of porn, so much so that critics say that Americans' tolerance for sexually explicit material rivals that of Europeans.

That tolerance could prove to be the obscenity division's biggest obstacle. Americans are used to seeing sex, experts say, in the movies, in their e-mail inboxes and on popular cable shows such as HBO's Sex and the City. There is no real gauge of just how obscene a jury will find pornographic material.

The majority of defendants indicted in federal courts over the past year have taken plea agreements when faced with the weight and resources of the Justice Department. More than 50 other federal investigations are under way.

In 2001, though, one interesting case emerged from St. Charles County, Mo., the heart of Ashcroft's conservative Missouri base. First Amendment lawyer Cambria defended a video store there against state charges that it was renting two obscene videotapes that depicted group sex, anal sex and sex with objects.

Cambria won, convincing a jury of 12 women, all between the ages of 40 and 60, that the tapes had educational value and helped reduce inhibitions. They reached the verdict in less than three hours.

The department's most closely watched case involves "extreme" porn producer Rob Zicari and his North Hollywood company Extreme Associates. The prolific Zicari is charged with selling five allegedly obscene videotapes, which he now markets as the "Federal Five," that depict simulated rapes and murder.

Almost reveling in the charges, Zicari's Web site says, "The most controversial company in porn today! Guess what? Controversy ... sells!"

The case hangs on a strategic move by the Justice Department that could make or break hundreds of future cases. Instead of bringing charges in Hollywood, where Zicari easily defeated a local obscenity ordinance recently in a jury trial, department officials ordered his tapes from Pittsburgh, Pa., and charged him there, hoping for a jury pool less porn-friendly.

Industry lawyers and top executives contend that the courts should rule that because the tapes were ordered on the Internet, the "community standard" demanded by the law should be the standard of the whole community of the World Wide Web.

The Internet is filled with ample evidence of even more hard-core or offensive material from abroad, they say, and someone in Pittsburgh should not be able to determine what someone in Hollywood can order.

Either way, Nguyen, father of a 2-year-old girl, and his co-workers spend their days scouring the Internet for the most obscene material, following leads sent in by citizens and tracking pornographers operating under different names. The job wears on them all, day after day, so much so that the obscenity division has recently set up in-house counseling for them to talk about what they're seeing and how it is affecting them.

"This stuff isn't the easiest to deal with," Nguyen said recently while at his computer. "But I think we're going after the bad guys and we're making a difference, and that's what makes it worthwhile."


Copyright © 2004, The Baltimore Sun

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Or maybe this... - 11/14/2004 11:04:58 AM   
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02:00 AM Nov. 12, 2004 PT

I have deliberately kept overt politics out of Sex Drive. I see no point in polarizing or choosing sides in this column, which explores the intersection of sex and technology without regard to age, race, gender, height or political party.

And yet I would be remiss if I refused to acknowledge the sex-tech implications of the election.


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"Anyone who is not seriously concerned is delusional," says Jeffrey Douglas, board chairman of the Free Speech Coalition, an organization that provides education, lobbying services and legal assistance to the adult industry. He describes the Bush administration as "deeply, ideologically hostile to sexually oriented speech, (a group of) people with a strong fundamentalist bent who believe it is a mortal sin for people to engage in sex for a purpose other than procreation."

Well, so what, you might be thinking. Porn is just porn. Life goes on. Only the adult industry and porn addicts are going to suffer. But if you're not in the porn industry or a regular consumer of adult content, why worry?

Here's why I'm worried.

Climate of secrecy. In the past four years, the Justice Department has stepped up its efforts to deter both producers and consumers of pornography. As Douglas points out, it has more than tripled the number of attorneys assigned to prosecuting obscenity cases. And it's targeting both hard-core and mainstream content, according to this article.

The scariest part is that so much of this is happening in secret. The Justice Department refuses to make its obscenity guidelines available to the industry or the public, and "during the entirety of the hearings on (18 USC 2257) and the development of the regulations that implement the statute (which requires producers to maintain meticulous records of performers' ages), there was never any discussion with any industry representatives," Douglas says. Yet any violation of the statute is a federal felony.

Without seeing the obscenity guidelines, you can't be sure your content meets them, even if you want it to.

And if consumers are also a target, where does that leave us if we feel like distributing homemade digital videos on peer-to-peer networks for others to enjoy? Can we be indicted for not complying with 18 USC 2257?

What if I have webcam cybersex or use my Sinulator with a stranger? Will the Justice Department distinguish me from a professional performer who gives a free demo on the Sinulate Entertainment network?

What if I just get Playboy for the articles?

I fear that the Justice Department's case against Extreme Networks, which stands to set dangerous precedents about where and how porn operators can be indicted, is just the beginning.

Ignorance, not abstinence. Doug Ireland at LA Weekly pretty much sums up my second worry when he writes, "In place of effective, disease-preventing, safe-sex education, little will soon remain except failed programs that denounce condom use while teaching abstinence as the only way to prevent the spread of AIDS."

In 2004, President Bush allotted $270 million to "abstinence education," up from the $97.5 million budgeted in 2000. I'm not against abstinence, but I'm horrified by the assumption that, despite what we know of millennia of human behavior, teenagers are going to stop having sex because adults are telling them to. How many of your peers purposely abstained from sex when you were a teenager? Exactly.

But with Assistant U.S. Attorney General Drew Oosterbaan declaring that "nothing is off the table as far as content" and the Bush administration's record of ignoring science when it suits them, I worry that sites like Scarleteen, sexetc.org and Go Ask Alice will face persecution, if not prosecution, in this crusade. And without resources like these, where will teenagers learn about sexual matters without parents, teachers or peers embarrassing them?

Please tell me I'm paranoid. I so desperately want to believe.

Loss of privacy. I'm a writer, and I write about sex -- the First Amendment is vital to both my vocation and my profession. Lest you've forgotten the words, it says: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."

Yet the Bush administration has not made my top-10 list of organizations dedicated to serving this principle, not since the Patriot Act. The federal government's power to tap our phones, read our e-mail and otherwise snoop in our personal communications appalls me.

Do we have recourse? Yes and no. Download.com's online privacy category contains 240 programs, although I suspect using services like Anonymizer or The Tunneler just shout that you have something to hide.

Carly Milne, publicist with Pure Play Media and keeper of Pornblography, is trying to remain "cautiously optimistic" about the next four years. She believes that "if anyone is going to figure out the privacy stuff, it's going to be the tech innovators in the porn industry. We will continue to explore every opportunity to entice more people, especially when it comes to gaining new consumers. If that means we find new, inventive, more convenient ways to offer people privacy, by all means, we will."

The Free Speech Coalition's Douglas, however, sees this as an "incredibly dangerous time."

"You just know high-ranking members of the Bush administration stay awake at night thinking that somewhere out there people are masturbating, and they have to do something to stop it," he says.

See you next Friday,

Regina Lynn


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Understanding - 11/14/2004 11:11:53 AM   
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Legal Threats Stalk Adult Sites By Randy Dotinga

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,63838,00.html


SAN DIEGO -- The landmark federal prosecution of an infamous porn producer is putting the fear of John Ashcroft into the owners of countless adult websites, even those whose content is far milder than the material under attack.

Experts told an audience of porn webmasters last weekend that they indeed have reason to worry. A variety of X-rated photos and videos could become illegal nationwide if the Bush administration scores an important victory in its war on obscenity. But the online adult industry is divided over exactly what to do about the threat from Attorney General Ashcroft and his crew.

On the one hand, "they're all worried that the attorney general and president of the United States are going to come knocking on their doors, telling them the gig is up," said adult entertainment attorney Eric M. Bernstein.

Even so, not everyone is rushing to help the far fringes of their industry fight off the threat of new obscenity standards. Many feel uncomfortable providing aid and comfort to people who think nothing of, say, simulating rapes on videotape.

At issue is whether a porn producer called Extreme Associates has the First Amendment right to sell videos featuring urination, simulated rape and adults depicted as minors, among other things. Extreme Associates is perhaps best known for the porn movie Forced Entry, which simulates a rape so violently that a camera crew for the PBS documentary series Frontline became disgusted and fled while filming the production.

While Extreme Associates is based in Southern California, the U.S. attorney in Pittsburgh is prosecuting the obscenity case over Forced Entry and several other videos whose names livened up a court filing (PDF) but won't be repeated here. She has jurisdiction because prosecutors were able to order the videos by mail and download them over the Internet. Porn industry attorneys suspect that federal prosecutors decided to pursue the case in Pittsburgh because they think it's more likely to cough up conservative jurors.

Simulated violence is uncommon in much of online porn, which tends to focus on traditional sex and naked bodies -- "soft-core pinup stuff," according to Quentin Boyer, head of public relations at TopBucks, which provides content to adult websites. But plenty of porn providers continue to sell legally risky material featuring bestiality, violence and people who look like minors. (Actual child pornography, of course, is illegal.)

Material depicting bodily functions and fetishes could also lead to trouble in court, but that hasn't stopped producers from continuing to explore their creativity in those areas. "There are certainly people out there going the extra mile," Boyer said.

Extreme material is especially popular on the Internet. "It's a lot easier for someone to explore the outer fringes of acceptable fantasies online because no one's going to know," he said. "A guy feels safer: 'I can check this stuff and I don't have to have a clerk looking at me and wondering why I'm looking at these trannies.'"

At the Cybernet Expo, which concluded on Saturday in San Diego, more than 120 porn webmasters listened closely as several panels explored the threats facing the industry. Many sought legal advice from the attorneys who peddled their services at the conference exhibit area amid merchants offering nudie pictures, webmaster resources and billing services.

"Some webmasters who have tried to get away without a lawyer and without anyone reviewing their sites are realizing it's critically important to have a competent attorney working with you," said adult attorney Lawrence Walters by phone. "The demand for our services has skyrocketed."

While some in the adult industry have tried to create Ashcroft-friendly guidelines (such as these explicit recommendations), obscenity prosecutions rely on vague "community standards." The Extreme Associates case could tighten up these community standards, for prosecutors are trying to stop the online distribution of porn, not just orders sent by mail to one region or state. Any new standards could potentially apply nationwide. And, as in the case of Extreme Associates, they might be retroactive.

Adult industry attorney Frederick Lane III advises his clients to think carefully about their content until the rules are clarified. But abandoning the most controversial material may be easier said than done. Extreme content can be very profitable because customers who find the rare material end up becoming "committed" to websites that offer it, Lane said.

One potential strategy is to turn illegal porn into legal art by adding plotlines to X-rated videos. "Let's say you have a rape scene," attorney Walters said. By itself, it could be challenged as obscene, "but it may be perfectly acceptable if it's portrayed in the context of a movie like The Accused."

There's another option that doesn't require anyone to take a creative writing class. "You go to the (porn) webmaster chat boards, and they're talking about moving out of the country," said Giorgio Xo, owner of adult classified websites. But porn purveyors may not necessarily find greener -- and less litigious -- pastures abroad. The U.S. government could extend the long arm of the law into bank accounts there, and other countries are also cracking down on pornography.

For now, porn webmasters are trying to decide whether to provide financial or moral support to Extreme Associates and its flamboyant owners, Robert Zacari and Janet Romano, also known as Rob Black and Lizzie Borden, respectively. "They're very divided," said Walters. "There's a very loud vocal contingent who believes Extreme Associates went too far, that they deserved what they got. They asked for trouble, and they've made life worse for everybody by producing extreme materials."

To some, the key point is that the performers and the customers are consenting adults. "You may not want to, but you really need to stand up for Rob Black," said Connor Young of YNOT Masters, which provides support services to porn sites.

Ultimately, the customers, not the performers, may be the key to the Pittsburgh obscenity case, which is now in the pre-trial phase. Since obscenity is defined by "community standards," observers expect Extreme Associates will try to prove that its products are popular in Pittsburgh by producing lists of local mail and Internet orders. Since the defendant is hardly known for subtlety, that could be quite a day in Steel City -- and potentially a defining moment for the porn industry.



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RE: Reality Check - 11/14/2004 9:28:50 PM   
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a fvckin' waste of money and energy for the most part. why doesn't the government start paying attention to crime, poverty, and discrimination again

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RE: Reality Check - 11/14/2004 10:08:46 PM   
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I just wanted to post this so people understood some of the very serious realities involved with a site such as this one and why we have certain policies in place.

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RE: Reality Check - 11/14/2004 11:47:46 PM   
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Moderator You keep up the good work.
There are those of Us if We seen any thing
that could really get this place We would let
cha know. This has been a ongoing battle for
well over 40 years now and its not gonna
end any time soon with the next 4 years
shored up with You know who. Its this same
mindset that kept John Normans Gor Cronicles
from being published for over 20years and why
We had protested so long and hard for them
to get published in the first place. Its not the
power brokers of Porn that the goverment
goes after in these burn em at the stake times
but the joe smoes they can break in and make
a big fuss over when He isent really doing any
thing but enjoying His Own life in His Own way
in His Own Home however every day Uncle Sam
is trying to get into Your Homes, Your bedrooms
and your head and like the poster says * WE WANT
YOU!* This is one of those subjects where the
bottom likes stops at every one of Us when We stand
up to OUR RIGHTS and OUR LIFESTYLE thru the
thick and the thin, the good the bad and the ugly.
Everyone better take note as I have stated befor,
Big Brother is out there and I can garuntee that
He allready knows where and who and what you
are no matter how you might tempt to hide it here,
online there are many ways to gain access and info
of each and every one of Us. Thats why I hide NOTHING
I am a OPEN BOOK so if and when and Im sure there
will be a when and if as there always is, then at that
time all will know full well where I come from and
where * they * come from. Strenth always comes in
numbers and right now the Good Ol US of A is feeling
their victory oats and while they are still strong and
fresh gonna go out and bring every thing down
that they have issues with tthat they can befor IQ
AMERICAN wakes up and smells the jamaican coffee.
Every Alternate Lifestyler should carry a copy of the
constitution in their pocket cause you will never know
when the big bad black suit guys are gonna come get cha.
LOL .........JMO

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RE: Reality Check - 11/15/2004 5:40:49 PM   
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When the American people allowed dubya to be appointed the first time they gave up any right that was not taken by his predecessors. I knew it then and am seeing it happen now...in the end porn will be the smallest of the things he will strip us of. Just watch...Mike

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