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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:04:06 PM   
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Works fine for me. Search Jury Finds Roderick Scott Not Guilty

Also, note that I posted in Treyvon fashion, the aggressor as victim.


Did the date of the incident jump out at you, also (It's in the third-to-last paragraph)?



Your point?


I have a point but if I wear a hat, no one will ever notice it.

Nah, Just the anniversary of the Death of Dr. King


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:09:51 PM   
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Well well well... lookie what we have here

The victim was not black.

This time the link worked so we have the answer to what if the races were reversed don't we?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:11:58 PM   
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I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:15:48 PM   
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No one here claimed that Zimmerman was gay, and that's why Martin attacked him. That's simply a strawman.

The claim was made by Jeantel that Martin was afraid of being attacked and raped *by* Zimmerman.

The absolute denial that the witness ever spoke those words, is on record here 'bollocks', 'no evidence', etc.).

Here (one more time) is the transcript:

quote:

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person


The only honest way to interpret that, is her suggesting that Martin (had he lived) would have invoked the gay panic defense, even though there is zero evidence to support it.




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Now lets get black to your claim the girl said Martin attcked Zimmerman because he was gay. And to be fair to you, I will only post her words from your fucking link....

I don't see how any of those statements would support an assertion of a homophobic reaction. Men, in general, are assumed to be predators. We all know this to be true. Whether it's a warranted assumption is a fascinating question but certainly US society agrees it's true. Men are dangerous. That's all I see here.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:15:51 PM   
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I will explain this once more I put you on hide ONE time for a couple of days so that your obnoxious attitude would not get the thread shut down when it got shut down anyway I took you off hide and have not put you back.
As you posted, according to the GF Martin thought Zimmerman was gay.
I already stated that this was not evidence per say but closer to it than assumptions that Zimmerman just wanted to shoot a black kid.


I didnt post anything about Martins thoughts except to point out your bogus claim, the bolded part isnt even stated in your link.

Thank you kindly for putting me on hide "So that your (meaning my) obnoxious attitude wouldnt get the thread shut down."
I could have sworn you out me on hide because I was pointing out the innacuracies in your posts.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:17:40 PM   
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I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.

I understand the temptation but I am not going to play.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:17:50 PM   
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It occurs to me that the people who are trying to lay the blame on Zimmerman for getting out of his car are engaging in the same type of victim blaming as those who try to blame a woman for her sexual assault because she was dressed provocatively. Even accepting the conceit that Zimmerman followed Martin, in both cases, the attacked party did nothing illegal except behave in a way that *might* incite a response. So either Zimmerman deserves no blame for getting out of his car, or a woman deserves blame for her sexual assault if she dressed in a sexually provocative fashion. Either the person on the receiving end of violence can be partially responsible for behaving in a legal way that might incite a violent response, or they cannot. Can't have it both ways.

I posit that if Zimmerman had been a pretty girl talking to the police and following Martin, and she killed him while he was in the process of attacking her, there would be outrage that there was even a trial.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:18:49 PM   
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I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.

I understand the temptation but I am not going to play.


It's as feasible as any of the bullshit put out and worshipped by the Martinites

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:19:20 PM   
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I will explain this once more I put you on hide ONE time for a couple of days so that your obnoxious attitude would not get the thread shut down when it got shut down anyway I took you off hide and have not put you back.
As you posted, according to the GF Martin thought Zimmerman was gay.
I already stated that this was not evidence per say but closer to it than assumptions that Zimmerman just wanted to shoot a black kid.


I didnt post anything about Martins thoughts except to point out your bogus claim, the bolded part isnt even stated in your link.

Thank you kindly for putting me on hide "So that your (meaning my) obnoxious attitude wouldnt get the thread shut down."
I could have sworn you out me on hide because I was pointing out the innacuracies in your posts.

Batting 1.000 wrong every time.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:20:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.

I understand the temptation but I am not going to play.


It's as feasible as any of the bullshit put out and worshipped by the Martinites

I know

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:20:42 PM   
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It occurs to me that the people who are trying to lay the blame on Zimmerman for getting out of his car are engaging in the same type of victim blaming as those who try to blame a woman for her sexual assault because she was dressed provocatively.

It occurs to me that this comparison tells us more about you than about anything else.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:23:06 PM   
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I think there's a million dollars waiting for anyone who can demonstrate their mind reading skills over at the JREF, under controlled conditions.



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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:26:55 PM   
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It occurs to me that the people who are trying to lay the blame on Zimmerman for getting out of his car are engaging in the same type of victim blaming as those who try to blame a woman for her sexual assault because she was dressed provocatively.

It occurs to me that this comparison tells us more about you than about anything else.


Nice ad hominem there. Have anything constructive to add? Or just don't like hypocrisy uncovered?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:30:29 PM   
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Same type of victim blaming? Maybe... but certainly not the same degree.
Society may be slowly and grudgingly accepting the notion that a woman dressed up as though for sex, isn't necessarily looking for sex (Thank you Pink)

But a man 'stepping out' of a vehicle still carries a much stronger connotation of a challenge to fight.

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It occurs to me that the people who are trying to lay the blame on Zimmerman for getting out of his car are engaging in the same type of victim blaming as those who try to blame a woman for her sexual assault because she was dressed provocatively.

It occurs to me that this comparison tells us more about you than about anything else.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:31:26 PM   
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No one here claimed that Zimmerman was gay, and that's why Martin attacked him. That's simply a strawman.

The claim was made by Jeantel that Martin was afraid of being attacked and raped *by* Zimmerman.

The absolute denial that the witness ever spoke those words, is on record here 'bollocks', 'no evidence', etc.).

Here (one more time) is the transcript:

quote:

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person


The only honest way to interpret that, is her suggesting that Martin (had he lived) would have invoked the gay panic defense, even though there is zero evidence to support it.




Your right. I should have said the claim was "Martin attacked Zimmerman out of homophobia." There is no evidence that Trayvon did that though is there ?

"You forget that martin's girlfriend said he attacked Zimmerman out of homophobia imagine the reaction if Zimmerman had invited him into his truck. "

The above is Bamas claim, something the girl clearly never said.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:37:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I think there's a million dollars waiting for anyone who can demonstrate their mind reading skills over at the JREF, under controlled conditions.



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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think a racist went out on the anniversary of a racially-charged incident and decided he was going to get some pay-back because "they always get away with it" and killed MURDERED an innocent teen-ager.




Unlike the followers of St. Martin. I never claimed it was the truth or evidence. That statement clearly starts with: "I think ...". It is opinion.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:44:46 PM   
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No one here claimed that Zimmerman was gay, and that's why Martin attacked him. That's simply a strawman.

The claim was made by Jeantel that Martin was afraid of being attacked and raped *by* Zimmerman.

The absolute denial that the witness ever spoke those words, is on record here 'bollocks', 'no evidence', etc.).

Here (one more time) is the transcript:

quote:

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person


The only honest way to interpret that, is her suggesting that Martin (had he lived) would have invoked the gay panic defense, even though there is zero evidence to support it.




Your right. I should have said the claim was "Martin attacked Zimmerman out of homophobia." There is no evidence that Trayvon did that though is there ?

"You forget that martin's girlfriend said he attacked Zimmerman out of homophobia imagine the reaction if Zimmerman had invited him into his truck. "

The above is Bamas claim, something the girl clearly never said.


Martin had, according to her, profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual and a threat.
That is far more evidence than that Zimmerman profiled Martin on race.
If answering what race Martin was means that Zimmerman profiled him and killed him because he was black this would constitute irrefutable evidence that Martin was in the midst of a hate crime when killed.
I was using your sides evidence standards.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:49:33 PM   
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Martin had, according to her, profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual and a threat.
That is far more evidence than that Zimmerman profiled Martin on race.
If answering what race Martin was means that Zimmerman profiled him and killed him because he was black this would constitute irrefutable evidence that Martin was in the midst of a hate crime when killed.


Learn to read........She clearly said SHE had suggested Zimmerman might me gay and a threat. Thats not the same as Martin profiling anything. There is also nothing to suggest martin attacked Zimmerman, or the reasons why. All thats there is your own conjecture.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:51:04 PM   
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Martin had, according to her, profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual and a threat.
That is far more evidence than that Zimmerman profiled Martin on race.
If answering what race Martin was means that Zimmerman profiled him and killed him because he was black this would constitute irrefutable evidence that Martin was in the midst of a hate crime when killed.


Learn to read........She clearly said SHE had suggested Zimmerman might me gay and a threat. Thats not the same as Martin profiling anything. There is also nothing to suggest martin attacked Zimmerman, or the reasons why. All thats there is your own conjecture.


Yep playing by your standards.
There is lots of evidence that Martin attack him, this is just one possible explanation for why.
Even the prosecution admitted that Martin attacked him, that was why they tried the lame not enough damage approach.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/20/2013 12:52:38 PM   
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The claim was that : " martin's girlfriend said ".

The denial of that claim, has been proven to be incorrect.



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