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tazzygirl -> RE: >YOU< ARE ABOVE the law! (7/13/2013 10:47:56 AM)

Those who have endorsed the right of a jury to judge both the law and the facts include Chief Justice John Jay, Samuel Chase, Dean Roscoe Pound, Learned Hand and Oliver Wendell Holmes. According to the Yale Law Journal in 1964, during the first third of the 19th century judges did inform juries of the right, forcing lawyers to argue "the law -- its interpretation and validity -- to the jury." By the latter part of the century, however, judges and state law were increasingly moving against nullification. In 1895 the US Supreme Court upheld the principle but ruled that juries were not to be informed of it by defense attorneys, nor were judges required to tell them about it. Stephen Barkan, writing in Social Problems (October 1983), noted that the attacks on nullification stemmed in part from juries acquitting strike organizers and other labor activists. And in 1892 the American Bar Review warned that jurors had "developed agrarian tendencies of an alarming character."

Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right, although two others -- Georgia and Oregon -- refer to it obliquely. The informed jury movement would like all states to require that judges instruct juries on their power to serve, in effect, as the final legislature of the land concerning the law in a particular case.


http://prorev.com/juries.htm

Ya know, as ignorant as you believe me to be, even I know about nullification. Maybe you should get out there, inform citizens, run for office... this is your issue! You can run on this platform!!




Real0ne -> RE: >YOU< ARE ABOVE the law! (7/13/2013 11:19:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Those who have endorsed the right of a jury to judge both the law and the facts include Chief Justice John Jay, Samuel Chase, Dean Roscoe Pound, Learned Hand and Oliver Wendell Holmes. According to the Yale Law Journal in 1964, during the first third of the 19th century judges did inform juries of the right, forcing lawyers to argue "the law -- its interpretation and validity -- to the jury." By the latter part of the century, however, judges and state law were increasingly moving against nullification. In 1895 the US Supreme Court upheld the principle but ruled that juries were not to be informed of it by defense attorneys, nor were judges required to tell them about it. Stephen Barkan, writing in Social Problems (October 1983), noted that the attacks on nullification stemmed in part from juries acquitting strike organizers and other labor activists. And in 1892 the American Bar Review warned that jurors had "developed agrarian tendencies of an alarming character."

Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right, although two others -- Georgia and Oregon -- refer to it obliquely. The informed jury movement would like all states to require that judges instruct juries on their power to serve, in effect, as the final legislature of the land concerning the law in a particular case.


http://prorev.com/juries.htm

Ya know, as ignorant as you believe me to be, even I know about nullification. Maybe you should get out there, inform citizens, run for office... this is your issue! You can run on this platform!!



well the BAR has developed monopolistic tendencies that are destroying this nation.

The only thing that stands between them and complete annihilation of our government are the juries!

They know it!

They can WHINE all they want, and that is ALL they can do!

The fundamental rights that adhere to everyone regardless of state-[us] should be read and understood by ANYONE in ANY court regardless of circumstance or controversy.

Why would I inform just citizens? What about the rest of the people in this country? They dont count? How do they fit into this citizen menagerie everyone out here continues to pound?

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Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right,


wtf is "declare"?

How can a state "declare" and "grant" what is not theirs to give?
(to the people? or is that internal to the courts and payrolled government employees?)

you or someone must mean "acknowledge", or is this another usurpation of our rights? Amazing how one tiny word changes the power structure of government!

So come on legislator taz, last call, once you wrote your bill what is the very first thing you are going to do with it? If you duck it again I will be forced to tell you what you will do with it.





Real0ne -> RE: >YOU< ARE ABOVE the law! (7/13/2013 9:00:00 PM)

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So come on legislator taz, last call, once you wrote your bill what is the very first thing you are going to do with it? If you duck it again I will be forced to tell you what you will do with it.


so since you ducked out, I guess I have to answer that question for you.

You would gather up your bill and waltz into the legislative cousels office throw it on their desk and ask...."is there any way can we get this past the courts"

Thats the real world.

The courts as in judges who are bought and paid for as proven by atty gen Fine rule this joint. They are the final say on what goes on around here unless their ruling is so aggrevious that congress has to over rule them with an amendment, and that constitution can be interpreted pretty much any way they want.

Hence the ability of the jury whos members are always changing to judge the law.

That and you do not have the constitutional right to "exercise" your religion, a jury for every trial, nor an indictment for any and every criminal offense. They are non existent.

I really was hoping you could have told me :)


anyway isnt it odd that they give us rights that we presumably "reserved" for ourselves? you know, if you reserve something like put it in your pocket how can they later give it to you? That to me seems like some seriously twisted logic?






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