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jlf1961 -> RE: Wtf were they thinking. (7/15/2013 3:30:11 PM)
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needles, you are not the only one jumping my ass. There are others who have done so in this thread.
As for using the luxuries that these people live with daily to justify a sport that, living in the UK, you have no fucking clue as to what has been done to improve the quality of life for those animals, and are just going on information that is put out by animal rights groups, why dont you come over and tour reputable rough stock contractors facilities.
As for my dog, it was in my yard, behind a fence and the damn kid stuck his hand through the fucking planks. Dont give me shit about how I deal with animals. Every fucking neighbor that had a yard adjoining that one ended up putting down a dog. I should be allowed to keep a dog in a fenced yard without fear of it being tormented by a brat who's parents dont do a damn thing to discipline the child, after I had complained a number of times.
Great you buy locally produced meat. wonderful.
As for rodeo, before the PRCA and SPCA started working together, the same animals were used nightly at each event. An average rodeo is not one day, but three or four, and the score is cumulative. Spurs used on bucking animals were nearly razor sharp, cinches were so tight that tissue damage was routine, infections were commonplace, and the shipment of the stock was primitive at best. That was just for the rough stock.
Having worked with wild horses, I noticed something rather peculiar. Horses seem to avoid jumping over objects unless they are being pursued. Hell even the domesticated horses never seemed to want to jump a fence unless they were spooked. Want to explain why a sport where a horse is forced to do something that in the real world, they seem about as inclined to do as they would drive a car?
In the natural world, horses eat, roam, run and make baby horses.
Horses were not specifically evolved to serve mankind. For that matter no animal was. When it comes to the horse, we race them, jump them, work them, generally speaking they are either a toy or tool. I always said my horses were my coworkers or whatever, the truth is that if they had their choice, they would be out running the range, chasing mares, eating and generally living a life they were meant to live.
I dont know of a truly pristine horse breed on the planet, if you know of one, please tell me.
Every horse breed on the planet originated as wild stock and been bred for specific things. Unfortunately if they cannot be broken or trained, they are destroyed. When armies became mechanized, the war horses were not retired, they were destroyed. In the US only a few were "retired" until the army found out how much it was going to cost, then they were herded into pits and machine gunned and buried.
And those practices were world wide.
Today, horses that cannot be broken or trained are sold for dog food, bone meal, horse hide, and countless other products, again a practice that is world wide. The reasoning is that to release the animals into the wild would be cruel. Truth of the matter is that most of Europe does not have the land to allow horses that cannot be used to run free. The United States and parts of Asia have the available land but in the US at least, the releasing of a horse into the wild is considered animal abandonment.
I have not said that rodeo is not a mean sport, I have made a stand that conditions for the animals have improved. And they continue to improve. I would actually like to see the sport go back to its origins, the ranch rodeos. Those were tests of the skills that a working cowboy needed to keep his job, and some were just for the fun of it, like wild cow milking. Granted bull riding is not a skill necessary to work a ranch, that is simply a man vs animal competition that the animal usually wins. Bronc riding is a stylized event based on what it takes to break a wild horse. The 8 second time limit is not for the benefit of the rider, but the animal. In the early days, bronc riding kept going until either the animal was too tired to buck or the rider was dismounted.
To be honest, I can see abuse of horses in just about any sport they are used in. I can admit that breaking a horse is anything but abusive no matter how it is done. There is just no gentle way of doing it. When something gets on a horse's back, they buck.
Granted you may not be involved in supporting mass produced beef and meat production, but many of the americans and canadians who have commented on my involvement and continued support of a sport that people consider cruel, all the while supporting an industry that brings a whole new meaning to the word, you have got to be kidding. I am not using one to justify the other, I am merely pointing out that there are animals being treated far worse for the "benefit" of humanity.
So you are not a part of reintroduction programs, I would say that is because there is very little land in the UK where that can be done. Not saying that to be mean, but how long have the British Isles been settled? I dont know if any of the early cultures that flourished on those islands were nomadic after the stone age. The UK does not have the problem of land developers looking over a chunk of countryside and seeing a new subdivision "country living with all the conveniences" or have community parks and rec departments that put in hiking and biking trails were cougars and other predators hunt. You dont see the animal rights activist go from "save the wildlife" to "kill the predator for attacking humans" so fast that it defies comprehension.
In some ways needles, you live in a protected environment. Your country has very little wild spaces left, parliament has passed laws outlawing various forms of hunting. In fact, your country has laws that seem overly restrictive to many Americans, but it works for your country. I have noticed however, that the British have tendency to try and tell Americans what to do, how it should be done, and if you dont do it our way, Americans are just fucked. Not to say that Americans dont respond in kind. A true culture clash.
It would be nice if those cultural differences were left alone. But sense most of the British on these boards have a nasty habit of telling everyone else how they are doing everything wrong, I reserve the right to defend myself and others simply because of two facts, 1) we are not British citizens, and 2) We, with French help kicked your collective asses in the Revolution, and by ourselves in the war of 1812 just so we had the right to make our own decisions and live with our own mistakes.
So please do not get offended when I say, Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on.
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