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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 9:23:18 AM   
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If you can get the actual model name or number that could be
a big step in finding a realistic value range.  Look on the back.

When you search on eBay make sure you search for completed auctions.
Asking is one thing, getting is another.  What did something similar actually
sell for?  What real estate people call comps.

Here is another possible source if you are trying to sell in Canada.

Canuck Audio Mart

They come up a lot in Google searches for audio related gear. 




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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 1:29:14 PM   
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Okie Dokies Yalls...thank you for all your input. I did get a post up in the site you suggested outlier and this wknd I can get a pic of the back, I am headed there. Will let you all know what I find and thanks so much!

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 8:55:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


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There are sites on the web that have manuals for old audio units, I found the manual for an old Harman Kardon tube AMP I am trying to get to work. Good news is there are places to get replacement tubes if the ones in it blow, and they aren't prohibitively expensive. If you decide to try the turntable, make sure to get a new stylus for it.


If it's an old unit, definitely replace the rectifier tube, before all else. But then save the tube and take it in to a qualified tube amp technician and have him test it. In the highly unlikely event that its a Western Electric 274B tube, you've got $200-400 in hand, right there. Just shows you how crazy the market is for some select tubes designated as 'GOD!' by the Japanese audio nut cases. Fortunately, as you say, the vast majority of tubes available today are reasonably priced.

In any case, my aunt and uncle bought a Zenith tabletop radio set (which included inputs for turntable, microphone, tape machine, etc.) in 1955. In 2003 the thing stopped working. They took it in to the local repair shop, wherein the current techs found themselves utterly bewildered. They called up a retiree from that shop. He drove in, looked at it, did the "usual suspects" of metering this and that, and replaced the rectifier tube. Didn't touch anything else. Viola.

The radio still plays, every day, here in 2013 and likely for a good while beyond.







Yeah, some tubes go for a lot. The Harmon Kardon amp I have has original tubes in it, and they are German telefunken tubes as well as Harman Karden's own, and apparently if they are in working condition they are worth a lot....I would love to own an old Macintosh tube amp, but they are almost as expensive in working condition as new ones.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/18/2013 11:28:12 AM   
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Oh wow, okay. I heard it does work and has worked for ages here in North America. I am certain I heard it play as a child, those heavy classical records and such. My mom said it was a Biamplifier. It is a Philips. I have some more pics I will send you outlier if you would be so kind. I havent checked yet if the admins approved my registration on that website you gave me.

Check for any labeling and a schematic. Then consult a collector about restoration. Once done it could be worth a mint.

Here

and here

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/18/2013 11:34:01 AM   
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All I know is that they are expensive as hell to restore. There is a local shop that does that work and sales restored units. Some of them are more expensive than some of my rifles.

Give me transistors or give me death.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/18/2013 7:00:22 PM   
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Might be able to match it here, http://radioattic.com/sold.htm

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/19/2013 12:46:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: njlauren
Yeah, some tubes go for a lot. The Harmon Kardon amp I have has original tubes in it, and they are German telefunken tubes as well as Harman Karden's own, and apparently if they are in working condition they are worth a lot....I would love to own an old Macintosh tube amp, but they are almost as expensive in working condition as new ones.


The Telefunken valves can fetch a high price if they are NOS (new, old stock), but I would just keep them in place in your situation (i.e., 30-40 yr. old Telefunkens).

I've heard nothing but good about Jim McShane, here;

http://www.mcshanedesign.net/tubes.htm

He refurbishes HK Citation amps, and himself recommends another restorer, too. Some people do modifications on these things up to $3,000 and more, but he and his cohort accommodate those with normal sensibilities also. Shoot him an e-mail.

But he's not in your area. There are a few good Scott, Fischer, et al. restorers in your area, which any good one would deal with restoring your amp for a decent price. Just don't let them replace those Telefunkens unless they show you the actual test saying they are almost dead.

But as you learn more about these tube amps, learn enough to convey to other victims of this most wonderful obsession that they should replace the rectifier tube as a matter of course, before they fire it up the first time. They don't cost much, and the original can be tested later. Or just take it into a qualified tech before turning it on in the first place, perhaps the safer course.

A bad rectifier tube can spit out 4 power tubes all at once, not to mention cooking the output transformer beyond repair.

Lest the general audience here think that valve amps are more 'dangerous' or anything, in my years of work in pro audio, three speakers got blown by "sand amps" (transistor amplifiers), and none by tube amps. But then the Altec amps of either variety were made to withstand almost any event just shy of a Titanic disaster (it was Crown or Crest amps that did that).

Tube amps are unmistakably louder for a given output power rating. You'd need an 80-100 W transistor amp to get the speakers to sound as loud as a 35 W tube amp. But this doesn't even get to the fact that tube amps have a far superior overload or otherwise sonically benign distortion profile as opposed to transistor amps. Tube amps approach their clipping limit slowly, whereas transistor amps slam into a brick wall.


If you really like music, and especially a better variety than what we have as current output today, and ... if you have at least somewhat sensitive ears, tubes (or valves) are the way to go.





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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/19/2013 3:00:48 AM   
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Thanks everyone. I am following up on some of these links and see what I can find. I will see the beauty on Saturday and get shots/nudies of it then.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/19/2013 6:47:54 AM   
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It is a beautiful piece of work. for years, we had a console form the 70s that had a turntable, 8-track player and radio. I think Mom gave it to an aunt or it burn up in the fire. We still got LPs in the file cabinet.

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