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truckinslave -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 2:41:09 PM)

Poisoners are very very sneaky




truckinslave -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 2:52:04 PM)

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Invest in schools


Jesus Christ am I tired of hearing that.
Some big-city school systems spend more per pupil that the per pupil cost of major (in-state) colleges.
We invest fortunes in schools now




truckinslave -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 2:55:51 PM)

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Only those who lack either a pulse or a three digit iq believe that.


Only those who lack a three digit IQ think those who lack a pulse believe... anything.




truckinslave -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 3:00:42 PM)

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understand why it's happening


"Why" is: different cultures.
How to change their dysfunctional culture? There are two general ways. Let's call those ways "carrots" and "sticks".
We've spent trillions and trillions on carrots.
I say it's time to bring back starvation as a reward for idleness.




chatterbox24 -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 3:21:21 PM)

My great, great grandfather came from Scotland from nothing with nothing. THe story was potato famine, food shortage. THe truth is I don't know the whole story, other then what has been past down. He worked in the coalmines, and lived on company property, and it was considered pretty much slavery, and how safe a job you think it was back then? Its considered dangerous now, can you imagine the safety measures back then? There pretty much were none. But he worked hard and died young, and each generation, got a bit better conditions then the last, but all had to work hard so each could move up in their conditions, God willing.

There is racism in all cultures, white against black, brown against red, etc etc. Comes in all shapes and forms. For some people it doesn't even exist at all, but we live with it. No Choice.




DaddySatyr -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 3:54:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I think the question being raised here (at least by some) is, "yeah, but who's fault is that?" The numbers being put forward suggest that blacks are doing this to themselves.

My personal position is that I don't care. The number you quoted is offensive to me aesthetically if for no other reason. So I want to get beyond who's fault it is and understand why it's happening and what we need to do to change it. Of course I have to laugh at myself as I say that since a willingness to engage in social engineering is one of the hallmark's of the liberal mindset. It's predictable that I'd question how we could make things better rather than hold on to the status quo.


See, but here's the thing, Jeff (and I'm not being a smart-ass): isn't part of problem solving to identify what the problem is?

If we go with: " 'The Man' is trying to keep the brothers down" and it turns out that 'The Man' is doing no such thing, haven't we just wasted yet more time?

The numbers suggest that the only "fault" of this situation is that there's a war amongst the black community.

Yes, there are no jobs. There's no jobs for anyone; it's not just black people.

Yes, there's drugs. Drugs are a choice. Surely, drug dealers don't say: "I'm only going to sell to black people" (Suddenly, the "sit down" scene from The Godfather just flashed through my mind).

Education? Seriously? We've been throwing trillions of dollars at a failed education system in this country for well over 40 years. I can't believe the answer is to throw more money at it (at least, in the same way). And frankly, I'm sick of being called "racist" because I point out the failure of education policy in this country and refuse to co-sign continuing more of the same insanity.

Now, I think you know me well enough to know that I have no love for the government and I wonder if getting the fed out of education might not be a good idea but, at this point, as long as it isn't the same ol' thing, I'd be willing to listen about education reform.

But, I am sick to death of being blamed for the failures in the black community which I have had nothing to do with. When my eldest son was growing up, we lived in a neighborhood that had to be 60% non-white (Hell, my eldest wasn't white). I offered to coach the little league team or there wasn't going to be one.

I had 15 kids on that team and all but two were white (my son didn't identify as white but since he was my son, a case could be made that only 1.5 weren't white) in a neighborhood that was 60% non-white. Why was that? Well, I can tell you what my son was told. It was because organized sports with white dudes wasn't "cool".

There's a "separatist" attitude that permeates. There's a desire for division. It's why assholes like Sharpton and Jackson can ply their trade; because there's a market for it. Just like any business.

The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.



Power to the people,



Malcolm X




JeffBC -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 4:16:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.

I'm totally with you. I have no interest in "fault" or "blame" (on either side) but I have a TON of interest in an actual analysis of the I'm sure myriad systems which are happening here to reinforce a bad situation. I'd even be open to a genetics-based "blacks are just lazy hoodlums" discussion if someone had such science to back it up. ROFL, I'd even be willing to act on the obvious conclusions of such science. But at least for now I'm more inclined to go with socio-economic drivers and I want to dig into those and figure out if it's possible to break the chain and if so, where are the right leverage points.

"Let them all rot in jail" seems like an unlikely solution to me as does "let them starve in the streets". If I was Emperor and one of my advisers brought either of those two to my desk they wouldn't be my adviser for long.




DaddySatyr -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 4:47:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.

I'm totally with you. I have no interest in "fault" or "blame" (on either side) but I have a TON of interest in an actual analysis of the I'm sure myriad systems which are happening here to reinforce a bad situation. I'd even be open to a genetics-based "blacks are just lazy hoodlums" discussion if someone had such science to back it up. ROFL, I'd even be willing to act on the obvious conclusions of such science. But at least for now I'm more inclined to go with socio-economic drivers and I want to dig into those and figure out if it's possible to break the chain and if so, where are the right leverage points.

"Let them all rot in jail" seems like an unlikely solution to me as does "let them starve in the streets". If I was Emperor and one of my advisers brought either of those two to my desk they wouldn't be my adviser for long.


And I'd be willing to listen to "It's the white guys' fault" if it wasn't followed by "ALL white people are racist" because it just simply isn't true.

Someone from the site sent me a link to a story about Aaron Osmond (yes that Osmond family) wanting to eliminate the compulsory schooling.

Before I looked at the link, I told them that the idea didn't sound like a good one from the out-set but I would look.

Well, after reading the article presented, I am even more against eliminating compulsory schooling. What purpose would it serve? Surely, we owe it to ourselves to make sure that our progeny can read, write, add, etc. at some level of proficiency?

I have paid more than my fair share in taxes. My children didn't go to schools that were any better than anyone else's schools (until I doubled-down and paid my local school taxes and their tuition to a private school). So, essentially, I paid for everyone else's kids to go to school and then, paid extra for my kids because I wanted to give them an extra advantage in this world and I worked my ass off to do it.

I'm not complaining. It was my job, as a parent and a citizen.

But, let's look at how to children (and some adults), education gets a lot of lip service publicly but there's a portion of people that are apethetic about it (I know from whence I speak. My youngest is a drop out).

We bussed kids from "poor schools" to "rich schools" in the 60s and 70s. Did things improve? Fuck no!

My uncle was a college professor and Assistant Dean (for a time) at Manhattan College in the Bronx. in the mid 70s, he was telling us how his new students were having to go into remedial reading and math classes. Foreign students aside, WTF is up with that? High School graduates that can't read at a 6th grade level? How about we end "social promotion" and stop worrying about little Johnny's feelings and start worrying about his future?

The whole fucking education thing is a mess and (IMO) needs to be gutted and re-started.



Study hard,



Bill Gates




thompsonx -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 5:12:39 PM)

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I absolutely agree that drug sentencing is racially biased ... except ... If you know that powder cocaine carries lesser penalties, why would you continue to sell/use crack? To make a point?

Perhaps from an ethical point of view...crack being the less adulterated product.

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I don't use drugs and haven't had anything heavier than an aspirin in 25 years (or more).


The pdr will confirm that the only analgesic(pain killer) more powerful than asprin are the opiats.




thompsonx -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 5:18:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Invest in schools


Jesus Christ am I tired of hearing that.
Some big-city school systems spend more per pupil that the per pupil cost of major (in-state) colleges.
We invest fortunes in schools now

Any validation for this ignorant peurile opinion?




thompsonx -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 5:21:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Only those who lack either a pulse or a three digit iq believe that.


Only those who lack a three digit IQ think those who lack a pulse believe... anything.


Have you been lying about being a christian?Don't dead christians go to hell or some other place to be with their imaginary friend or his enemies?




truckinslave -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 7:51:23 PM)

http://www.cato.org/blog/real-cost-public-schools

http://www.education.nh.gov/data/documents/cost_pup11_12.pdf

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/04/11/mapping-school-spending/


Google is your friend




DaddySatyr -> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. (7/22/2013 7:58:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Google is your friend



I wondered why they sent me an e-card for my birthday.



Regards,



Steve Jobs




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