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One small step . . . - 7/20/2013 5:51:43 PM   
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I don't know about anyone else, but the forums have seemed awfully negative lately, so I'm pausing to remember that this is the anniversary for one of what historian Barbara Tuchman called "mankind's better moments"--the moon landing. Whatever its flaws and foibles, the United States, drawing on both public and private talents, did the "impossible" that day.

The New York Times felt so strongly about this unprecedented news that it specially ordered headline type larger than it had ever used before (image below). I share its enthusiasm, gratefully remembering what humankind can do when we get our act together.

Any other examples of "mankind's better moments" come to mind?







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RE: One small step . . . - 7/20/2013 6:07:48 PM   
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I knew there was something about today that I was forgetting. When I woke up and saw the date, something in the back of my head told me it was important, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

We really should go back there, you know. Maybe not to "colonize", but a research station. We gotta learn how to leave the cradle before we all die in it. It's a big universe out there, you know. Gotta start walking soon.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/20/2013 8:59:25 PM   
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I just assumed people are more on edge because of the heat wave.

But yes, the moon landing was one of our finer moments. Thanks DC.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/20/2013 9:03:09 PM   
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Love this!!!!!!
Here's to a more positive board!!!!!

Thank you!

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 6:27:34 AM   
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I met Buzz Aldrin at a book signing at Dillons in London fifteen years ago, he was a gentleman.

The 60s Space Race made my childhood!

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 8:22:50 AM   
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It was a great time. Too bad politics got involved, otherwise we'd have people posting here and asking for advice on how to use a single-tail in microgravity now. We were supposed to have bases on the Moon and Mars by now, people.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 8:25:21 AM   
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There are a few things about the first moon landing that have
always struck me. 

The first was that in one human lifetime.  In 66 short years mankind
went from being earthbound to the moon.  Think of that.  Balloon flight
was possible before 1903 but before the Wrights at Kitty Hawk mankind
had never experienced powered controlled flight. 

This dream from prehistory, this stuff of ancient legends was still a dream in the early 1900s.
There were people alive in 1969 when man walked on the moon who were alive when man
first flew.  If you were 75 or so in 1969 you would have lived through it all, amazing.  It is perhaps
the best demonstration of what Toffler would later term "futureshock". 

The other thing that struck me was the great line by Michael Collins.  He was the command
module pilot who made the whole trip except for the flight down to the surface.  When asked
by the media about his role he quipped, "I'm going to be like the man who flew the Atlantic after
Lindberg - old what's-his-name."

The third thing that I think of I just learned recently:  The vital spacesuits for this most brave and
daring of events was made by Playtex, the "living bra" manufacturer.  The hard shell kind put forth
by the defense contractors did not pass the tests. 

http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/spacesuit

Thank you dc for giving us something positive and something bigger than ourselves to think about.



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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 4:07:59 PM   
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quote:

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It was a great time. Too bad politics got involved, otherwise we'd have people posting here and asking for advice on how to use a single-tail in microgravity now. We were supposed to have bases on the Moon and Mars by now, people.

Without politics, there would have been no space race and no moon landing in the first place. The Apollo program eventually got abandoned because the Soviets gave up. The only way we'd have bases on other planets is if the Soviets decided to spend even more on space research and if the Cold War continued for a few more decades.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 5:03:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Any other examples of "mankind's better moments" come to mind?



Coca cola Canada has been running an open happiness campaign. It's not mankind as a whole, but they've captured some heart warming moments that make you feel better about our fellow man.

Here's the commercial that I liked. If you want to see more, they have a channel


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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 7:17:44 PM   
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quote:

Thank you dc for giving us something positive and something bigger than ourselves to think about.

You're welcome! And thanks for the thoughtful response.

I had the good fortune to visit Kitty Hawk a few years ago, and one could actually walk the path that the Wrights flew. It was incredibly moving.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 9:03:50 PM   
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If we are going to tip a cap to the Wright brothers, let's not forget to mention Gustave Whitehead.


The object on the ground in front of the people, is an engine. This plane purportedly flew two years before the Wright Flyer.

Here is Gus with another of his engines. He could make them pretty light.

Here is an image of Whitehead flying a glider in '03. No controversy here, and he seems to know what is up.

I'm not saying Gus was first. I'm saying "Janes' all the Worlds Aircraft" is saying he was first. And it is not unusual for credit to go to the wrong guy.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 9:38:03 PM   
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DC, I knew I liked you, but if you have read Barbara Tuchman, well, definitely up there on my list. Hmmm, mankind's better moments?

-Funny DC mentioned Barbara Tuchman. JFK had read the Guns of August (a magnificent book about the opening months of WWI, not one of mankind's higher moments) around the time of the Cuban Missile crisis, and because he had read that book realized 17 million people died in what was one gigantic mistake, and as a result he sought out a peaceful resolution to the situation he was in, not wanting to make the same mistake; most people were telling him to bomb, which had we done it, likely would have led to nuclear war (some credit also goes to Khruschev, who realized in turn that the blockade gave him an out, which wasn't popular in the politburo, but he took it). It was a great moment when someone had learned something from history and used it to avoid a disaster.

-The many times in NYC, that cold,heartless place, where someone slips and gets hurt, someone gets hit by a car, and those uncaring,mean people come to their help, or when a tourist is lost, there are 10 people trying to help them, and being NYC, someone probably speaks their language, too.

-The guy in today's NY Times, a physicist working for NASA, who is doing basic research on if it is possible to go beyond lightspeed, refusing to listen to the naysayers and the like, and daring to dream.......

-The parent with a child who is different, who refuses to do things the way he is told to, who paints outside the lines, and says "go for it"

-The people who show up when an oil spill hits or the like, and who tirelessly are there trying to help the poor animals recover, happy for the ones they save, grieving for the ones they can't.

-Anyone who sees someone in need, and instead of thinking what is in it if I help them, simply gives of themselves without thinking of themselves.

-The lone person in a sea of hostility who stands their ground and through tireless work, changes things. Ralph Nader was once that, Tesla as crazy as he could be was like that (he ended up giving his patents to George Westinghouse for AC power because he believed that strongly that it was the way to go with powering America, and it was the only way to prevent JP Morgan from crushing him)

-Rachel Carson, who single handedly got people thinking about the consequences of what we were doing to the environment, and as a result Ospreys, Hawks and Eagles are no longer threatened with extinction and I now see these magnificent animals flying around where I live in NJ, when I was a boy they didn't exist, they were near extinct. I attended a concert not long ago where the composer Stephen Stucky did a piece in commemoration of the 50th anniversary of that book, and by the end I was crying, partly in gratitude of what that book meant, and also because the ending of the piece is silence, representing what might have been...

-For the many people who have helped me in my life, mentored me, taught me, hopefully made me a better person, that is another of man's greater moments, that there are always people willing to help someone find themselves,learn and grow. I quite honestly find the whole self made person myth a downer, because it refuses to recognize that no one does anything by themselves, and often those who help are unsung enough.

-Human kids are amazing. For all we complain and bitch about them (as our parents did about us, who is kidding who), they still somehow remain kids, looking at the world with amazement, even simple things, and then have this incredible desire to share it with others. It amazes me, especially these days where they are practically grooming kids to be an ivy league graduate with a degree in finance from pre school on, that kids still can be kids despite the pressure being put on them, and there are kids, like my son, who are willing to do things because they are passionate about it, dancers, artists, musicians, whose one desire is to express the joy of being human.

-For all its faults, the US, for at the very least getting rid of titled nobility and aristocracy, and at least trying, if not always so well, to live into the idea that an individual is an amazing thing, because it is. I wished we lived into more,there are always people trying to create new forms of nobility, whether it is power, economics, or in some system of belief, but that basic concept is still out there after 200 years. It isn't always obvious, the 1950's conformity was a major reach the other way, but it always seems to come back, and hopefully going forward it will be with us.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/22/2013 11:03:19 PM   
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"The guy in today's NY Times, a physicist working for NASA, who is doing basic research on if it is possible to go beyond lightspeed, refusing to listen to the naysayers and the like, and daring to dream....... "

Nobody ever said it wasn't possible actually.

I wish I had something good to say but since I don't I won't say anything. It is nice to know though that we COULD go faster than the speed of light if we just had some sort of propellant or something that could do it. It's not like a universal speed limit. In fact they already had particles going through the Earth faster than that, I THINK it was from France to Sweden or something like that.

So hopefully you will feel like when they lifted that ridicuous 55 MPH speed limit in the US.

T^T

ETA : Holy shit, there are people old enough to drink who are too young to remember the national 55MPH limit. There are also people old enough to vote whho are too young to remember when they lifted it completely.

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RE: One small step . . . - 7/23/2013 1:16:43 AM   
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quote:

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It was a great time. Too bad politics got involved, otherwise we'd have people posting here and asking for advice on how to use a single-tail in microgravity now. We were supposed to have bases on the Moon and Mars by now, people.

Without politics, there would have been no space race and no moon landing in the first place. The Apollo program eventually got abandoned because the Soviets gave up. The only way we'd have bases on other planets is if the Soviets decided to spend even more on space research and if the Cold War continued for a few more decades.

You're right. It was a political exercise in dick-waving from the get-go. The only real benefit that was sought after was the ability to launch and land ICBMs on another country in the end. No wonder the others have left us alone...

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