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slvemike4u -> Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 8:24:54 AM)

Braun ,who won the MVP in 2011(while using peds)and who had a previous suspension turned over upon appeal,has reached a deal with MLB to sit out the rest of the year as a result of evidence collected during the Biogenesis investigation
This all follows Brauns in your face comments after being "vindicated" in the appeal process two years ago.
Thoughts,comments please......do you think the zport is cleaning itself up,are they doing enough ?



MasterCaneman -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 9:07:37 AM)

Professional athletes have been and will always seek out that "edge" over a potential rival. It's how they got where they are in the first place. None of the sports will ever truly "clean-up". They will simply find another avenue with which to gain an advantage. This season it's "compound ABC" which is banned, next will be something else. It's been going on ever since there have been organized sports.



slvemike4u -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 5:50:34 PM)

Seems there is no interest in this
Oh well,sort of mirrors the lack of interest management had when the summer of home runs occured (wherein McGuire and Sosa hit all of those dingers)



Kana -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 5:56:24 PM)

I saw a tweet today-someone said MLB should give all his fined salary to the poor test collector Braun publicly ripped last year when vehemently declaring his innocence.

But this is no big deal.If clubs really wanted roids out, they'd put a clause in the contract, allowing them to nullify any guaranteed money for a positive test/suspension.
Here's a more fascinating question?
What if a team claimed fraud on the players part-that the player used illegal substances to falsely inflate their stats, thus luring teams into providing them a contract worth more than the actual talent level?
Wouldn't that be a fun case?



slvemike4u -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 7:07:15 PM)

MLB contracts are negotiated by MLB and the union....the club negotiates salary and length.
Even if a club would try this there is no way the union would allow a player to sign it.
Were clubs to agree to such a clause the players would have a collusion case that could cost the clubs hundred of millions of dollars.


Besides the law of "just one owner" is in effect.In other words the owners can not trust each other,there will always be at least one owner looking to win to bust up such an agreement...this "law" is the reason salaries have climbed the way they have...I could cite contract after contract wherein one or another owner has engaged in bidding against himself(sound stupid,eh ?) in order to pay some player an outlandish seven year contract
Prime example of this is the current contract of soon to be suspended Alex Rodriguez



DaddySatyr -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 7:34:48 PM)

I have been a huge fanatic of baseball since I was not quite five years old. My first game was Tom Seaver against Fergison Jenkins at Shea Stadium in August of '69.

Both pitchers pitched the whole game (11 or 12 innings. I forget) and the MUTS won, 2-1.

I've been a libertarian since the late 70s (Not a member of the party, at the time but I have had essentially the same beliefs since I was 16 or so). So, unfortunately, I'm of two minds on this.

The Libertarian says:

quote:

ORIGINAL Michael The Libertarian

People should be free to put whatever they want into their body and when you think about the fact that some of these guys with such silly things as serious allergies can't even take an antihistimine without failing a drug test, it's pathetic.

These are adults that are allowed to make whatever choices they wish in their lives as long as they're not harming anyone else.



Then, there's the baseball fan and purist who still doesn't like the DH rule

quote:

ORIGINAL Michael who goes to Cooperstown every year

These guys know from HS or so that they have a special kind of talent and they're "culled" and coddled and trained and protected. They're given a list of "No-No" substances (which is pages long and is quite enlightening what they can't legitimately take). They signed a contract; they gave their word to play the game the right way and if they cheat, they should be out on their ass, permenantly.



Also, the Libertarian in me wonders if we're discriminating against people with certain conditions who have to choose to be healthy or play ball.

In this case, with the lay of the land being what it is, I have no sympathy for Mr. Braun.

In the interest of full disclosure: when Andro was legal, I used that but I stopped as soon as the law was changed.



Peace and comfort,



Mike Piazza



Kana -> RE: Ryan Braun suspended (7/23/2013 7:43:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

MLB contracts are negotiated by MLB and the union....the club negotiates salary and length.
Even if a club would try this there is no way the union would allow a player to sign it.
Were clubs to agree to such a clause the players would have a collusion case that could cost the clubs hundred of millions of dollars.


Besides the law of "just one owner" is in effect.In other words the owners can not trust each other,there will always be at least one owner looking to win to bust up such an agreement...this "law" is the reason salaries have climbed the way they have...I could cite contract after contract wherein one or another owner has engaged in bidding against himself(sound stupid,eh ?) in order to pay some player an outlandish seven year contract
Prime example of this is the current contract of soon to be suspended Alex Rodriguez

Noting that the Union sure didn't bitch when the Yankees removed the steroid clause from Giambi's contract.
Nor are they going way out on a limb to help Braun et. al.

I suspect that,finally, the innocent players are sick of being tarred with the brush of suspicion due to the actions of others.
And I'm not naive.I'm a real baseball fanatic, nuts about the sport, but I believe what an anonymous player once told Peter Gammons, "Face it, everyone's on them.The only one's who aren't are those too stupid or scared to try."
My bet is at least 80% of ML did steroids at one time or another. Likely it's less now, but I still think the number is higher than most would guess, or that ML would ever admit.

And I do think an owner could have a fraud case in court.If the player knowingly took roids, denied it (Ala ARod)and the owner signed him based on chemically induced statistics believing that the player was clean, yeah, they may just have a pretty nice case.




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