DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
This all started by a guy with an R after his name and we know the narrative...a new bill of rights when the shit hits the fan out here in terrorist land.
Oh and as for the FISA court...it is very dangerous Nazi-like court refusing only a very few out of 30,000 requests.
I am well aware that Bush started this shit and I can only go back to 2008 (on this forum) to show that I was against it, then.
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ORIGINAL Satyr6406
Finally, Mr. President-elect; some of your supporters have told me that you intend to reverse all of the damage done to our civil liberties by the ill-named PATRIOT ACT. As I said, earlier; I believe that your leanings are socialist and it has never been my understanding of socialism that it promotes freedom of the populace but, just in case I’m wrong, if you were to, indeed, use your power of executive order to reverse this travesty, I will offer my services to you for your re-election campaign.
ETA: Actually, I did find a post from my personal website that was written 24 OCT 2004:
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Liberty and the PATRIOT Act
We must start erasing laws that make no sense. We must take a new stock in the world and the times in which we live. We must remember that the reason this nation was founded was liberty and that it was the intestinal fortitude and the integrity of those that have gone before us that has made this nation as great as it is, today. While we have suffered some set-backs, our ideals have not yet become lost. We can reclaim the greatness that our country exemplified. We can start treating the citizens of this country like honored members of society instead of troublesome ne'er-do-wells who only want to keep the "haves" from acquiring as much (power, wealth, influence) as they are able to, if they continue to roll, un-tethered, over the rights of the people.
The PATRIOT Act (I still recommend that every American take some time, each day, to read this atrocity) is a set of laws and rules that fly in the very face of the tenets and ideals that we, as a country, are supposed to hold dear. This attack on the citizenry paints us all as terrorists unless and until we prove ourselves otherwise, should we come under any hint of suspicion by "Big Brother". With this "act", the government can monitor phone conversations without cause they can even trace the books we have taken out of our public library. This is an travesty of our system, as it is supposed to be.
This country was once held up as the greatest in the world and it may still be but, we have lost some of the luster that we used to enjoy. This country was founded on principles that state that the government should answer to the people. That is far from what is happening, now. We have become numbers, lambs to the slaughter, "sheeple", if you will, bowing down to accept the loss of our personal freedoms; all in the name of "security".
We can reclaim our place if we act before it's too late. We need to remember what it is that made this country great. One of the things was that there was always a sense of "The difficult, we will do, immediately. The impossible will take a day or two.". We don't have that, anymore. Call it what you will but, most people called it "American ingenuity". we've lost that. We need to find it, again and quickly.
We claim that we have to be "an example to the rest of the world". We should be but, until we recapture the glory that this country once represented, we cannot show anyone by example. Invading countries or conducting covert operations to turn them into "democracies" is useless if we don't have the courage of our convictions.
We need to remember that part of what made this country great is that we weren't the British Empire. We were revulsed by that idea and that is what caused us to become our own country, in the first place. You can't go around and attack countries that just don't fit into the mold that you think all governments should be made from.
We used to hold certain words as being almost "holy". " ... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." used to be our "mantra". But, we have stopped worshipping at that altar.
Instead, we have become sheeple, at the beck and call of our "leaders" and the needs of a world which, while it is seeming smaller, every day, is not ours to control. We have turned into the "Guardians of Truth and Morality" in our own eyes and have alienated a good portion of the "brotherhood" we wish to embrace, around the world.
You cannot proselytize if you don't believe in what you are preaching. I don't think we, as a nation, even know what it is we are supposed to be about. We cannot force our system onto other people when, in all honesty, we, as a country have forgotten what it means to be "America(n)".
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My point is: The people who are mostly liberal-oriented were against it, then and seem to be okay with expanding it now. That's fine.
When another "R" is in the Whitehouse, are they going to be singing a different tune?
Peace,
Mahatma Ghandi
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