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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/27/2013 10:13:23 PM   
MrBukani


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Several European nations, where universal health care has been the norm for decades, have been waging their own intense debates as they also deal with aging populations and rising costs.

Britain passed a new health care measure earlier this month, after more than a year of rancorous debate. Can the European experience cast some light on the American debate over health care?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/03/28/149564583/like-the-u-s-europe-wrestles-with-health-care



Laughable.......your link is 16 months out of date. That shows just how much of it you have actually read.

If you have an emergency you can walk into any EU hospital and get free treatment. Care to show me otherwise.


Boohoo your link is old, but let's see if you're right. You mean you can walk into any hospital???

Explaining their decision to take action, the Commission noted “an increasing number of complaints it has received concerning hospitals providing public healthcare services, mainly in tourist areas of Spain, which refuse to treat citizens on the basis of their European Health Insurance Card and instead request a travel insurance policy and credit card details.” The Commission states that they have been in contact with Spain in relation to this matter since 2010.

http://abta.com/news-and-views/news/spain-questioned-over-ehic

May 30 2013 good enuff for you?

It is still in effect they refuse patients.
Done.


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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/27/2013 10:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The card is not a substitute for travel insurance. It gives you medical cover only at state-run hospitals, which you might not have convenient access to in all European countries. Also, the EHIC doesn’t provide any cover for delays, cancellations, repatriation, loss or theft, which is typically included in travel insurance.

http://blog.netflights.com/before-you-travel-the-european-health-insurance-card-ehic/

Wich means you CANNOT walk into ANY hospital in Europe.
Do I need to spell it out for you?
Still laughing?
You give out false information proven without a doubt now.
Or at least incomplete as you like to do so often.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/27/2013 10:33:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Department of Foreign Affairs strongly recommends that you obtain comprehensive travel insurance which will cover all overseas medical costs, including medical evacuation, before travelling to Italy. You should check any exclusions, and that your policy covers you for the activities you want to undertake.

Irish Citizens should note that the Irish Government does not provide funds for emergency medical repatriation or for repatriation of remains.


http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=418

You don't inform but disinform to prove your distorted views.
I wonder why you wanna make out the EU is wonderland...?
It's laughable plain laughable I say dear old chap. Be a sport and rephrase AGAIN...

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/27/2013 11:00:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the real sad part about this is we are talkin details over here. While the emphasis on my post about healthcare was that the system becomes unaffordable. Thats where the real discussion should be. Again people dont seem to adress the real problems but rather avoid them, because it would create a real debate where one maybe has to agree the system sucks.


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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 12:23:43 AM   
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Several European nations, where universal health care has been the norm for decades, have been waging their own intense debates as they also deal with aging populations and rising costs.

Britain passed a new health care measure earlier this month, after more than a year of rancorous debate. Can the European experience cast some light on the American debate over health care?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/03/28/149564583/like-the-u-s-europe-wrestles-with-health-care



Laughable.......your link is 16 months out of date. That shows just how much of it you have actually read.

If you have an emergency you can walk into any EU hospital and get free treatment. Care to show me otherwise.



Whilst I don't think the link is out of date (I know older links in other topics which are still very valid) I question it's content...

Cause quite frankly, that: "In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right coalition faced a slump in popularity during the fight that
ended with the passage of health care changes in November 2010." doesn't provide much information really, does it???

Even less so when last year our privately paid €10 per quarter of the year (which you had to pay IF you go to the doc, otherwise not) got scrapped to the first of january this year cause it was not considered to be necessary anymore once it was discovered how many millions the healthcare insurers got aside due to that fee...so hardly something "bad" for us that we don't have to pay that fee anymore...

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 3:13:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can question the source thats good. I am willing to find you a more reliable one.
So you mean to say National Public Radio is not a good source?
I took this source because it says it is interesting to american healthcare too it says.
But I understand. I will come up with another. I already showed politesubs claim is only partly true without a doubt in my mind.

I have one question I dont know what country you come from, That would help with the 10 euro per 3 months. Is that english or euro rules you are talkin about?
And a link would help of course because this thread is all about good source material to convince the unbeliever...

The fact is politesub claims hospitals cant refuse first aid in europe. They can do so without a doubt under national conditions.
But he didnt start out with first aid his first claim was without it. Besides that he refuses to answer straight because he loves to dance around a bit.
I will show you.



post#95 in the who is more free thread.


ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Europeans can walk into any hospital and get free treatment, even if you are in another country... Would I swap that for the sake of a bit less tax..........No, not in a million years.

This is how he tries to play...Game over.
Hope you enjoyed the popcorn.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 3:49:22 AM   
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Whilst I don't think the link is out of date (I know older links in other topics which are still very valid) I question it's content...

Cause quite frankly, that: "In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right coalition faced a slump in popularity during the fight that
ended with the passage of health care changes in November 2010." doesn't provide much information really, does it???

Even less so when last year our privately paid €10 per quarter of the year (which you had to pay IF you go to the doc, otherwise not) got scrapped to the first of january this year cause it was not considered to be necessary anymore once it was discovered how many millions the healthcare insurers got aside due to that fee...so hardly something "bad" for us that we don't have to pay that fee anymore...


It was out of date in as much that he claimed it was last month.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 3:53:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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Whilst I don't think the link is out of date (I know older links in other topics which are still very valid) I question it's content...

Cause quite frankly, that: "In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right coalition faced a slump in popularity during the fight that
ended with the passage of health care changes in November 2010." doesn't provide much information really, does it???

Even less so when last year our privately paid €10 per quarter of the year (which you had to pay IF you go to the doc, otherwise not) got scrapped to the first of january this year cause it was not considered to be necessary anymore once it was discovered how many millions the healthcare insurers got aside due to that fee...so hardly something "bad" for us that we don't have to pay that fee anymore...


It was out of date in as much that he claimed it was last month.


Where did I claim it was last month??? The case about spanish hospitals is still goin on today, That is what I claimed. Wrong again. Dont make it to easy for me please...

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:02:24 AM   
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Europeans can walk into any hospital and get free treatment, even if you are in another country... Would I swap that for the sake of a bit less tax..........No, not in a million years.


Thanks for actually posting a fact.

I didnt think anyone would be so stupid to need to be told I was on about medical emergencies, obviously you are an exception.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:05:27 AM   
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MrBukani
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Europeans can walk into any hospital and get free treatment, even if you are in another country... Would I swap that for the sake of a bit less tax..........No, not in a million years.


Thanks for actually posting a fact.

I didnt think anyone would be so stupid to need to be told I was on about medical emergencies, obviously you are an exception.
You're welcome put the blinders on and let's go. Immigration is next you know?
Besides that I can read it I can go for treatment and choose any hospital I like in my own country wich is false as well. Cause insurance companies decide where you can go not you Mister.



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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:07:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trolling wont make the racist content in some of your posts any less racist, nor stop me pointing it out.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:08:37 AM   
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Trolling wont make the racist content in some of your posts any less racist, nor stop me pointing it out.

Again I guess this is a personal attack... go suck up to the mods chappie.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:10:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Problem with you is you have personal issues with me but avoid the hypothetical questions with bullshit claims. Thats how you play.
But I dont mind I actually welcome your ignorance.
(to politesub)

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:12:19 AM   
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Trolling wont make the racist content in some of your posts any less racist, nor stop me pointing it out.

Nor will I stop pointing out you are making false claims.
And I will show people I am not racist I just dislike certain people.
English, german,dutch, arab and vietnamese alike.


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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:20:54 AM   
MrBukani


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Status: offline 		So a friend of mine just returned from Prague and he noticed it's full of vietnamese shops. Prague is known to be New Amsterdam these days because it's easy to buy cannabis there.
Guess how the vietnamese funded their new shops?

Link comin up shortly.

english video of prague cannabis growshops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyE1O9MCGQ8

Wondering where the real Vietnamese food is in Prague? Are fresh herbs and Asian goods your thing?

http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/2007/05/malesice-pragues-little-hanoi/

So I guess the UK cracked down on the vietnamese illegal gangs pretty hard. They moved to Prague.


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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:26:16 AM   
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Trolling wont make the racist content in some of your posts any less racist, nor stop me pointing it out.

Nor will I stop pointing out you are making false claims.
And I will show people I am not racist I just dislike certain people.
English, german,dutch, arab and vietnamese alike.



Next you will be claimimng not to be a bigot either. That could prove troublesome given your comments in the quote.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:34:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trolling wont make the racist content in some of your posts any less racist, nor stop me pointing it out.

Nor will I stop pointing out you are making false claims.
And I will show people I am not racist I just dislike certain people.
English, german,dutch, arab and vietnamese alike.



Next you will be claimimng not to be a bigot either. That could prove troublesome given your comments in the quote.

Call me anything you like. I dont mind. I rather have you makin arguments but hey maybe thats not your strong suit. The fact that you keep calling people racist and trolls is just because you like to have them banned because you have a hard time swallowing the truth old chap.


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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:44:18 AM   
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I think your evidence regarding point 4 rather answers point 1 as well. The EU would like there to be a universal healthcare system, but the reality is it doesn't trickle all the way down (whether to countries or hospitals within countries doesn't seem to make a huge amount of difference). Therefore the EU is not a superstate, and it isn't able to exert power over its members.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:44:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		People only get banned due to their own behaviour and its laughable to suggest otherwise.

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RE: The EURO P&R - 7/28/2013 4:51:00 AM   
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People only get banned due to their own behaviour and its laughable to suggest otherwise.

Can you start makin real arguments now or are you goin on makin laughable comments only.
Be a man react to my claims here dude for godsake.
You're beginning to get tiresome.

And why do mods have cuddlemuffins here then???
Oh no please dont answer that. Stake your claim man, show the world you are RIGHT.



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