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Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/29/2013 11:29:56 PM   
Esinn


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Status: offline 		Even individuals who have won some of the most sought after NSA medals, ribbons or recognition are coming out against them.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/dr-joseph-bonneau-wins-nsa-award-criticizes-nsa-0
http://cps-vo.org/group/sos/papercompetition2012 - this just came out.

While US media seems to forget about it.... International media, protests in Germany, Italy, Brazil and many other places are going strong.

http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/ - as one example.
http://rt.com/news/germany-nsa-merkel-writers-669/ - as another example

There really has been no greater threat to our freedom, liberty, privacy and constitution than this illegal spying. Spying involving Microsoft/Hotmail, Skype, Verizon, PalTalk, Google/Gmail, AOL and countless others. Whether you agree or disagree with how this information was obtained we now have it. This slide is unique from PRISM:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-facebook-google

You might not have anything to hide. But, if not stopped immediately we do have everything to lose.

This involves illegal spying on you if you are in the Military fighting for this government, a child, a parent or someone's grandparent. No one is immune to this. Secret Courts which are off limits to public access, above the law and beyond accountability. Courts most politicians have no access to. Courts funded by public tax payers. They say all this is done to keep you safe.

It is just so odd to me more people here are not discussing this.

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/29/2013 11:38:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe we scared too many people of with the truth and there has been a thread about it I believe.
I was well aware of it long before the Snowden case.
So I dont do smartphones simple.

Actually I have a general dislike for people using smartphones in public and filming everything.
It rots out the soul when people start that shit.

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/29/2013 11:48:25 PM   
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Maybe we scared too many people of with the truth and there has been a thread about it I believe.
I was well aware of it long before the Snowden case.
So I dont do smartphones simple.


I do not follow... It has been going on since the late 50s:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB178/surv18.pdf

Each year, it is becoming more crushing, expensive, secretive and dangerous. Women get raped all the time. Especially pretty little sluts. I am talking about non-consent. Yet, the fact you know it happens doesn't mean you mock them or try to make light of it? Should we just make it legal? I mean I am down for it... Kinda of like the dark ages. See a bitch - rape a bitch....

That is such a twisted form of justification.

I knew my rights were being violated for "X" amount of time. Therefore it is somehow tolerable or justifiable? If you are 12, I guess that kind of logic makes sense. Or if you are a non-consensual slave after so many years, it makes absolute sense as well. If for no other reason we can not afford it. It also is a fact no one knew about alot which came out with the snowden catalyst. I mean, I posted a link for you. "Boundless Informant" "Upstream", violations of the UKUSA agreement. I can list plenty more? The UKUSA is a fairly big deal, which is what my other links were speaking to. You obviously commented before looking.

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 12:05:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're right I didnt read the links yet but I will. I am sure there is good info in it.
What I am saying is I come from a little country called holland which taps the most phones per citizen in the world.
I got used to it having nothing to hide and its pretty comfortable from where I stand.
I'm not happy with all the spying that is done by the NSA, but I care less about them.
So in the end for now I will say without having read everything you posted yet, there is a grander scheme goin on, like you said yourself in another post (other thread) and the USA seems to be gearing for another war again.

I already made peace with that thought too.




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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 12:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just read the articles you posted thanks.
My opinion is that snowden is a traitor and should be shot on sight.
That the NSA spies all channels they can was already known to me no problem.

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 6:26:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your rights are not being violated. The Supreme Court has ruled that content of messages is covered by the Fourth Amendment but you have no reasonable expectation of privacy for the connectivity data. Paranoia.

See: Smith v Maryland

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 3:26:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I just read the articles you posted thanks.
My opinion is that snowden is a traitor and should be shot on sight.
That the NSA spies all channels they can was already known to me no problem.



Just to be clear, you are calling for the murder of another person - correct?

As I said, rape has already been known to me. So has murder, suicide and all kinds of other bad things. That is no reason to tolerate them. The longer they continue, the more reason to stop them. Don't digress on that point.

Let's go back to the first question. You are calling for the murder of Edward Snowden, correct? "Shot on sight". Or that was a joke? The cute smiley is throwing me off. I am curious if you are willing to commit to one side or the other in non-ambiguous terms. Keep in mind teens go to jail:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421714,00.asp

A brave person like yourself has no such thing to fear - right?

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 3:30:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Your rights are not being violated. The Supreme Court has ruled that content of messages is covered by the Fourth Amendment but you have no reasonable expectation of privacy for the connectivity data. Paranoia.

See: Smith v Maryland

LOL

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 3:37:31 PM   
Esinn


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But it seems to be a fact they are recording out phone calls too:
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/nsa-claims

It pretty much has already been known and proven:
https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-1307.html

But, despite best efforts to lie about and hide it.....

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RE: Nothing to hide; Everything to Fear (NSA) - 7/30/2013 4:53:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Your rights are not being violated. The Supreme Court has ruled that content of messages is covered by the Fourth Amendment but you have no reasonable expectation of privacy for the connectivity data. Paranoia.

See: Smith v Maryland



so the mailman can open your mail too.

Olmstead was correct, someones pockets were coated.

the only way the constitution can be protected is through jurys for "everything" especially litttle shit like jwalking and I dont wanna hear any typical cry baby shit pants whining about how much it will cost. too fucking bad. It would be cheaper than what we have now long run.

Most state constitutions themselves violate rights, but no one ever reads them. All they ever worry about 1 through 4th amendment of the federal and it does not even apply to them.





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