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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 7/31/2013 8:29:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

Remember the old kink swinger mags with contacts?
Yeah, those days were fun

Heh, yeah I remember those.

I can't speak for what the Internet has done for the "lifestyle" other than bringing like minds together. For me personally, I have met some really cool people (and some not so cool, but I've learned from all of them), so the internet has done wonders for me on a personal level. I met the Mister online in 2009 and he's the love of my life.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 7/31/2013 9:18:20 PM   
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-=Information=-
Like many things, you often trade quality for quantity. The net makes a vast quantity of information available. Unfortunately, it is unchecked publishing so the quality is pretty sketchy.

-=Socialization=-
Do I meet more people now because of the net than I did in the 70s or 80s . . . nope. Probably less as some of my social thirsts get quenched by online communications with friends. If it were the pre-net era, we would have gone out for drinks or met in clubs a bit more often.

-=Localization=-
The net has mastered this. It has made it quick and easy to find and meet other local people, clubs, societies, events and potential partners locally with the help of databases and forums. That's a lot different than the pre-net era where lots of clubbing and dating was required to filter out the "1 in a 100" compatible partner, friends or club. The old newspaper's classifieds and meeting intoxicated strangers at leather clubs did not filter as well as the net allows. Often you dated someone and ended up as their lover before you found out they were an asshole.

-=Double Edged Sword=-
So like others have mentioned, the net has has had positive and negative effects on the lifestyle by mass exposure. And as many have mentioned, there has been the very personal benefit of finding better partners.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 7/31/2013 9:35:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's both. Just about every positive that's been related to the internet also brings a negative with it. Two of the biggest advantages, being accessibility and education, also bring the issues of misinformation and the problems associated with the 'open cattle call' approach that has led to so many difficulties in our clubs and groups.

Like MC, I wasn't on the internet first before I was associated with kink. It was a much different learning environment. That's why I'm a bit backward when folks come here asking for net resources on how to learn some topping skill or another. Before I ever knew what Google was, we had books from Greenery Press and folks who would teach you whatever kind of play you were interested in and show you how to do it. A lot fewer accidents that way.

The last couple of years, in My opinion, there's also been an increase in problems in a particular area that started out innocently enough. It's what I've been calling the extension of the feteratti. For those who don't know, the "feteratti" is what some of us leather folks used to call those who would give the impression that S/m stood for 'stand and model'. In other words, the folks who dressed in the leather outfits and went out clubbing mostly to show folks how hot they looked in the outfits and pretty much staged kink. There's been a huge escalation on the net in this area about who's got the most impressive looking play pics and the dangerous things some folks have done to capture those shots where the picture is sometimes more important than the safety aspect. The gal in Florida who scarred a woman for life because she wanted a neat shot of birthday candles on a woman's back because "it would look really cool on Fet" (those were her words after the incident) is an example of this.


Thank you, LP, I am in total agreement with you. This went on back in the day when I first became seriously involved, I remember talking to a mentor about the people wearing all the fancy,expensive leather gear and quite frankly how cold and standoffish they were, and she explained to me they are generally well off fetish people who basically get off on the keeping up with the Joneses; instead of comparing the expensive cars and houses, they do it with fancy gear. As far as the thing about posting pictures that top another person, another friend of mine called that the "S/M version of the show Jackass", a bunch of stupid people doing things, not because they really are into it, but because they want to show everyone how great they are....I wouldn't be surprised in a year or two to find people like this in the Darwin Awards.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 7/31/2013 9:46:42 PM   
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Like any change, it brings good along with the bad. The net brings a plethora of information, and there is a lot of great stuff out there that someone can find pretty easily. More importantly,for people discovering this about themselves, it means they can look and see there are a lot of other people like themselves, if you live in some small town somewhere where the local preacher man says people into this are a bunch of weirdos living in some sin hole like NYC, you find out he is just an ignorant toad *smile*. As RS said, though, there is also the internet syndrome where there is a lot of shit out there, people telling you about all these great things they have done that if someone else tries it, will likely find it is fatal, it also unfortunately spreads the infamous 'right and proper way' crowd with their official rule book of the 99 slave positions, or the female led marriage page that proclaims if you want to go this route, of course the wife will have to cuckold the husband....

ironically, on the other hand, in a lot of ways it has made it democratic, in the 'good ole days' there were people who got off on a power jag about BD/SM and created this whole mythology of the right and proper way to do things, that you had to learn their protocol and their way to be authentic and so forth, and more then a few ate this up (for the record, I have respect for leather people, with the whole family/protocol structure, even if it isn't my scene; what I objected to were the people trying to turn themselves into the arbiter of all that is right and proper for others), with the information available today, it becomes pretty obvious that back then as today, they were just a bunch of pompous asses trying to pull the aristocracy stuff....

It also tends to pull in a lot of wankers, people who simply want to get off, trolls and assorted other flakes, but that is the nature of things. More importantly, the web has allowed groups like NCSF and others to organize and to help fight for the rights of leather people, also means I can find the books of the greenery press folks a lot easier:)

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 7/31/2013 10:03:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I'd say both. It has expanded my knowledge of things and met new people, however I think it cripples ppl from getting out and going to munches or parties. Experience is great practice.


A lot of people have no interest in munches and play parties.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/1/2013 3:01:47 AM   
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From the other side of this issue, the 'mainstreaming' of the Internet has been a mixed blessing at best. In many ways, I liked it better when it was a geek-only thing. It would be interesting to know how many BDSMers who complain about the effect of the Internet on BDSM didn't arrive on here until after that happened.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/1/2013 6:06:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I think there's a happy medium. I'm actually still in favor of groups vetting their members, rather than the approach of anybody who feels like it showing up and gaining immediate access to the group's play events. To be honest, I still prefer groups that do sponsor memberships, probationary periods, and/or groups that provide an orientation. When these practices exist, the groups have lower incidents than the groups that don't.




No argument with that. Private parties are for people you want to invite to your house. Even if the house is a club for members. Certainly you should get to know someone in public, like a restaurant where a munch is held, before you invite them to your home. That's just sensible.


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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/5/2013 8:50:04 PM   
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Good for opening it up and matching people but bad for.dealing.with fakes...

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/6/2013 9:59:03 AM   
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The internet may have made it easier to find out that your boss was into something kinky.

Seriously though...
There are people who love studying the history of kink. The history I have read says that:
- When AOL distributed millions of disks in the 90s, that lead to thousands of people chatting about kink via AOL
- As the internet became nearly ubiquitous in the mid to late 90s, the number of munches and membership groups increased exponentially
- After the third year of Fratlife (spelled differently, to avoid censorship here), the number of munches and membership groups went through a growth spurt, which might be now leveling off.

The constant thing here is this basic truth: You that weird thing you do, that gets you off? The thing you never told anyone about? There's a name for it, a group of people who have been doing it a while, and you can find them online.

It's been a long strange trip from swingers mags to findamunch.com

I don't miss the swinger mags.

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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/6/2013 10:55:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PonyGroom

The internet may have made it easier to find out that your boss was into something kinky.

I didn't need the Internet to tell me my boss is a sadist.
The Marquis de Sade was less obvious. But I'm topping
from the bottom so it's all good.


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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/6/2013 11:14:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I think there's a happy medium. I'm actually still in favor of groups vetting their members, rather than the approach of anybody who feels like it showing up and gaining immediate access to the group's play events. To be honest, I still prefer groups that do sponsor memberships, probationary periods, and/or groups that provide an orientation. When these practices exist, the groups have lower incidents than the groups that don't.




No argument with that. Private parties are for people you want to invite to your house. Even if the house is a club for members. Certainly you should get to know someone in public, like a restaurant where a munch is held, before you invite them to your home. That's just sensible.



I agree with you both. A local munch had a policy that you had
to attend two munches before you could be invited to a play
party. I thought this was a good start but other checks needed
to be in place to. Personally, I would be wary of going to someone's
home that I've only met a couple of times and know very little
about. I think caution and taking it slowly prevents drama and
misunderstandings later. It can't prevent drama and misunderstandings
from ever happening but it does help.

I think as far as the Internet goes its the bitter with the sweet.
But I think it's generally more of a positive than a negative.
It brings more people in and that's good and bad. Ups people
opportunities meet good partners but it means a lot of sifting
to be done to find them. There's good practical information and
there's fantasy nuttiness. It can help people feel less isolated
and help people find real life real world communities to learn
and grow in(if they so desire).

For me it's been a positive. I've met good partners and
good friends. And if nothing else the things like the knights
of Castle Realm have provided me with good entertainment.


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RE: The Lifestyle and the Internet? - 8/6/2013 11:19:31 AM   
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From a 'young' (relatively) perspective the internet served to actually dissuade me from any 'scene'. For instance when I was ... probably not even a teenager yet, I could look up anything I wanted to find on the internet. This could be good or bad depending on how you look at it and I don't know what impact it's having on our minds, but the point was, once those 'initial curiosities' were fulfilled I didn't have any urge to seek it out in the real world. I'm know there are others who do, but regardless I wonder how many people did as I did.

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