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searching4mysir -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 4:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Anyway, the bottom line. No choice should equal no responsibility. Men having no choices should equal no responsibility. Maybe this has already been covered but didn't the male have a choice before getting his dick wet? Don't want the potential outcome of paying child support? The answer is pretty easy. It's not like anybody doesn't know where babies come from. If a person doesn't want to be in the position of supporting their own off spring, don't engage in the act that creates them. Maybe the woman should think about the repercussions before she decides that she wants a dick inside her, to balance the situation. (And yes, this has already been covered). No, it's not like nobody knows where babies come from, but if you are proposing to put the onus of any undesired outcome on men only, then you are in fact arguing that men are solely responsible for the situation, in which case the man should have sole discretion over the outcome. Think about what you are saying, if that's not too much trouble. Do you honestly think that the amount of money a woman receives in child support each month is sufficient to raise a child on? She is financially contributing to the support of the child as well.

BitYakin -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 6:39:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 He should have ensured pregnancy wouldn't result. That's his choice. But not her choice, or responsibility. Got it> It's all on the guy, now. Thanks for that enlightenment. No, its equal responsibility. As I said, come up with a birth control method that is 100% effective and we can revisit that. Both sexes know the risks going in. thats rigth BOTH SEXES KNOW THE RISKS, but only ONE gets the CHOICE, or RIGHT to decide about an abortion! like I sad you can give ALL the REASONS in the world, and they may even be 100% correct, but it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that in this case, ABSOLUTEY, women have a RIGHT men DO NOT HAVE! they BOTH know the risks, make an informed desicion to have sex, but IF a chils is conceived, absolutely ALL RIGHTS for men are suspended, and the WOMAN can DECIDE, to either abort or not as for WHY I brought this up, it was in answer to an early post where the question was asked "WHAT RIGHTS TO WOMEM HAVE THAT MEN DO NOT?"

BitYakin -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 6:41:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Maybe the woman should think about the repercussions before she decides that she wants a dick inside her, to balance the situation. No, it's not like nobody knows where babies come from, but if you are proposing to put the onus of any undesired outcome on men only, then you are in fact arguing that men are solely responsible for the situation, in which case the man should have sole discretion over the outcome. Think about what you are saying, if that's not too much trouble. Actually, I'm saying both are equally responsible for consensual situations, but thanks for playing. that MAY BE what you meant or intended or thought, but that is NOT WHAT YOU WROTE!

BitYakin -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 6:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I somehow missed that "equal responsibility" thing in your earlier post. I'm not sure if anyone else caught that either. Was it the comment about "getting his dick wet" that should have been the clue for all the readers to understand your balanced view? I understood lady Ps meaning, it wasnt difficult. Normally the mother is left bringing up the kid while "dad" pisses and moans that his maintenance money stops him enjoyinh life. As a man, if you dont want bring up a child, or even share the burden, then you shouldnt have sex, regardless that it takes two to tango. yuuuup it takes TWO to tango, except ONE gets to, for no LEGAL REASON, just decide NAAAAAA I don't wanna and have an abortion! and its not that I am ANTI ABORTION, its to me about one person having 100% of the control, while the other has ZERO CONTROL and get off that they had control BEFORE THE BABY WAS CONCEIVED CRAP, once that baby is conceived ALL RIGHTS FOR MEN ARE SUSPENDED!

dcnovice -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:02:55 PM)
quote: like I sad you can give ALL the REASONS in the world, and they may even be 100% correct, but it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that in this case, ABSOLUTEY, women have a RIGHT men DO NOT HAVE! they BOTH know the risks, make an informed desicion to have sex, but IF a chils is conceived, absolutely ALL RIGHTS for men are suspended, and the WOMAN can DECIDE, to either abort or not You seem to be OVERLOOKING a key BIOLOGICAL fact: WOMEN get PREGNANT, and men do NOT. ETA: Carrying a child will affect the WOMAN in MYRIAD WAYS--physical, emotional, professional, financial--that MEN CANNOT CONCEIVE. (Wordplay INTENDED.)

Lucylastic -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:04:32 PM)
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH Edited to add FIght for your right to get pregnant !!! You havent got a womb, what ya gonna do, keep it in a box?...monty python paraphrase

LadyPact -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:07:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice You seem to be OVERLOOKING a key BIOLOGICAL fact: WOMEN get PREGNANT, and men do NOT. ETA: Carrying a child will affect the WOMAN in MYRIAD WAYS--physical, emotional, professional, financial--that MEN CANNOT CONCEIVE. (Wordplay INTENDED.) Thank you, dc. For what it's worth, gents, I'm willing to be the first woman to say that if I ever get any of you males pregnant, I'll absolutely support your right to choose.

tazzygirl -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:18:08 PM)
quote: yuuuup it takes TWO to tango, except ONE gets to, for no LEGAL REASON, just decide NAAAAAA I don't wanna and have an abortion! No legal reason? You dont have the right to decide what happens to your body? Does that mean I can come and demand that you give me a kidney? or maybe a lung? Or maybe force you to have a vasectomy? The legal right is that there is no law forcing anyone to undergo a medical procedure against their will. None... nada ... zip. Forced sterilization is illegal in this country. Forcing any procedure on someone is assault and battery at the very least. Its called consent.... its a real medical term.... its a real legal precedent.... Its called the law. Thats the only legal reason needed. Just as you can decide to go to a physician and have that vasectomy, a woman can go to a physician and have an abortion. Its her body. Its her legal right.

BitYakin -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:29:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: yuuuup it takes TWO to tango, except ONE gets to, for no LEGAL REASON, just decide NAAAAAA I don't wanna and have an abortion! No legal reason? You dont have the right to decide what happens to your body? Does that mean I can come and demand that you give me a kidney? or maybe a lung? Or maybe force you to have a vasectomy? The legal right is that there is no law forcing anyone to undergo a medical procedure against their will. None... nada ... zip. Forced sterilization is illegal in this country. Forcing any procedure on someone is assault and battery at the very least. Its called consent.... its a real medical term.... its a real legal precedent.... Its called the law. Thats the only legal reason needed. Just as you can decide to go to a physician and have that vasectomy, a woman can go to a physician and have an abortion. Its her body. Its her legal right. I suppose I didn't phrase that well, I MEANT, she can do it without having to give a legal reason, other than just plain ole I DON'T WANNA!

tazzygirl -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 7:31:42 PM)
quote: I suppose I didn't phrase that well, I MEANT, she can do it without having to give a legal reason, other than just plain ole I DON'T WANNA! Do you need a legal reason to have something done to your body?

BitYakin -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 11:18:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I suppose I didn't phrase that well, I MEANT, she can do it without having to give a legal reason, other than just plain ole I DON'T WANNA! Do you need a legal reason to have something done to your body? no not at all, but I would think MAYBEEEEE when your talking about terminating MY CHILD, it MIGHT not be a bad idea see when you make a desicion that ONLY EFFECTS YOU, certianly you don't need a LEGAL REASON, but when that desicion effects a third party, welllllllll that just a LIL DIFFERANT! GEEZ you make is sound like terminating someone ELSE'S CHILD is comparable to hangnail! ya know, in another thread, SOME PEOPLE are all up in arms cause a few people will be INCONVEINIENCED by having to get an ID to vote, but here we have a situation where a PERSONS CHILD can be terminated, and you all are like SO FUCKING WHAT! LOOK I am basicly plating devils advocate here, my kids are grown and have kids of thier own, I DO NOT want more children, but SOME MEN, just might take the news they are going to be a father as GOOD NEWS, only to be told the woman just DECIDED, NAAAAAA, I don't wanna! as I said someone early on asked what rights to women have that men do not answer these questions truthfully and you'll see in this case they ABSOLUTELY DO can a woman terminate a child for ANY reason she likes? YES can a man terminate a child EVER? NO women have that RIGHT, and MEN DO NOT, PERIOD

naughtynick81 -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/14/2013 11:30:31 PM)
When it comes to reproductive rights, women have choices, men have forced responsibilities.

tazzygirl -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 4:17:32 AM)
quote: no not at all, but I would think MAYBEEEEE when your talking about terminating MY CHILD, it MIGHT not be a bad idea Prove its your child. Then go to the courts and fight for "your right" to force a woman to stay pregnant, then be prepared to pay her for surrogate motherhood. quote: see when you make a desicion that ONLY EFFECTS YOU, certianly you don't need a LEGAL REASON, but when that desicion effects a third party, welllllllll that just a LIL DIFFERANT! GEEZ you make is sound like terminating someone ELSE'S CHILD is comparable to hangnail! Got studies showing the bonding process between father and fetus? quote: ya know, in another thread, SOME PEOPLE are all up in arms cause a few people will be INCONVEINIENCED by having to get an ID to vote, but here we have a situation where a PERSONS CHILD can be terminated, and you all are like SO FUCKING WHAT! A few? 800,000 THOUSAND alone in PENNSYLVANIA are being INCONVENIENCED... golly gee thats almost the sane NUMBER of ABORTIONS PERFORMED each YEAR. quote: LOOK I am basicly plating devils advocate here, my kids are grown and have kids of thier own, I DO NOT want more children, but SOME MEN, just might take the news they are going to be a father as GOOD NEWS, only to be told the woman just DECIDED, NAAAAAA, I don't wanna! no, YOU are simply PLAYING here. MOST women who DECIDE they want an ABORTION dont tell the FATHER. ASSUMING you know what these PEOPLE say to EACH OTHER is RIDICULOUS even on FACE VALUE!!!!! quote: can a woman terminate a child for ANY reason she likes? YES up to the legal gestational age, yes, after that point, no. quote: can a man terminate a child EVER? NO Fuck no, with damn good reason. Need time to figure out why?

tazzygirl -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 4:19:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 When it comes to reproductive rights, women have choices, men have forced responsibilities. Men had the choice to keep it in their pants. Instead, they go poking around, leaving little deposits not caring what happens to those deposits until they actually yield a return on their investment. [:D]

naughtynick81 -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 4:23:59 AM)
quote: Men had the choice to keep it in their pants. So did women, equal standards. It's funny how you feminists endlessly claim you support equality while changing the rules when it suits you. Pick and choose, pick and choose! :D

Lucylastic -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 4:29:07 AM)
Thats it, no more sex for anyone unless you are sterile or procreating YIPEEEEEE

tazzygirl -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 4:33:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: Men had the choice to keep it in their pants. So did women, equal standards. It's funny how you feminists endlessly claim you support equality while changing the rules when it suits you. Pick and choose, pick and choose! :D When a woman opens her legs, she is taking into her body the potential to get pregnant. Every woman knows this. Are you suddenly saying every man doesnt understand that process as well? Or are you denying biology?

searching4mysir -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 6:53:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: Men had the choice to keep it in their pants. So did women, equal standards. It's funny how you feminists endlessly claim you support equality while changing the rules when it suits you. Pick and choose, pick and choose! :D When a woman opens her legs, she is taking into her body the potential to get pregnant. Every woman knows this. Are you suddenly saying every man doesnt understand that process as well? Or are you denying biology? To a certain extent, since I'm pro-life, I have to agree with nick here (as much as I hate to). If a man is consenting to potential fatherhood with each sexual act, then so is a woman, and she shouldn't get the right to change her mind after the fact.

tweakabelle -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 7:15:00 AM)
Tazzy wasn't talking about "consenting to potential fatherhood", she was talking about "the potential to get pregnant", which is quite a different thing. When men have an equal "potential to get pregnant" then they will be entitled to have a far greater say in determining the outcome of their pregnancy, a say commensurate with their responsibility. Until then whoever has the responsibility of carrying the foetus has the final decision in cases where agreement proves impossible to negotiate.

searching4mysir -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/15/2013 7:49:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Tazzy wasn't talking about "consenting to potential fatherhood", she was talking about "the potential to get pregnant", which is quite a different thing. When men have an equal "potential to get pregnant" then they will be entitled to have a far greater say in determining the outcome of their pregnancy, a say commensurate with their responsibility. Until then whoever has the responsibility of carrying the foetus has the final decision in cases where agreement proves impossible to negotiate. Sorry, tweak, but in my eyes, once there is a pregnancy, there is both fatherhood and motherhood. If the child is aborted, they are still fathers and mothers, but they merely have dead children. There are three people involved in every pregnancy, the father, the mother, and the child, but only one (the mother) has life/death powers. It is hypocritical for a woman to say to a man "suck it up buttercup, you're a father whether or not you want to be one" because he had sex when she isn't willing to say the same to herself.

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