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Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:00:47 PM)

Well we're eating frankenfoods with concentrated pesticides and there is no limit.

T^T



tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:05:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
A general question.

Where do you draw the line with weed ? At what strength do you consider it safe ? The stuff on sale today in the UK is more potent than that of the 80s, let alone the sixties, super strength Skunk is stronger still. Skunk has been shown to cuase several issues affecting mentla health, such as paranoia and an effect on short term memory. Studies in the UK have proved this beyond doubt.

My question is, does anything go, or should a line be drawn regards super strength weed.

"There is exceptionally strong cannabis to be found in some parts of the UK market today: but there always has been. The UN Drug Control Programme has detailed vintage data for the UK online. In 1975 the LGC analysed 50 seized samples of herbal cannabis: 10 were from Thailand, with an average potency of 7.8%, the highest 17%. In 1975 they analysed 11 samples of seized resin, six from Morocco, average strength 9%, with a range from 4% to 16%.
To get their scare figure, the Independent compared the worst cannabis from the past with the best cannabis of today."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/mar/24/science.drugsandalcohol

Another point, drug dealers sometimes will add other drugs & crap into their pot they sell to get customers coming back cuz their pot is so "strong" or a good "high".. so how does anyone know it was actually the pot that caused any of these mental issues? Of course those that are anti-pot will claim its the pot that does this..



Politesub53 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:05:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Well we're eating frankenfoods with concentrated pesticides and there is no limit.

T^T



Dont start me on frankenfoods...... I just feel with legalising weed we must be sure its relatively safe for the consumer.

The gateway to other drugs thing worries me, based on experiences of family members.



tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:10:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The gateway to other drugs thing worries me, based on experiences of family members.

that is why drug dealers add other drugs and crap (without telling buyers) into their pot.. to get them hooked on the drugs they added.. I dont believe pot is a gateway drug, I have never seen any personal evidence of that.. I think people should grow their own and that way they know exactly what it is and they dont get the added shite dealers might add..



Politesub53 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:11:33 PM)

Its a bit childish to suggest those with concerns are anti-pot. Goldacre makes some good points but doesnt actually refute scientific studies.




tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its a bit childish to suggest those with concerns are anti-pot. Goldacre makes some good points but doesnt actually refute scientific studies.

I was talking about those that are anti-pot and make claims about pot or who skew the stats or info to push their agenda..

I am not actually for pot across the board, I think it does help some people with various medical conditions and I am all for them getting the meds they need, if pot helps them then they should be able to use it.. imo But I am not keen on people using pot everyday to unwind or just to get high, imo smoking regularly makes the smokers lazy lay-abouts or makes someone with that tendency to become lazier.. (thinking of my ex here lol).. and i do think some people should avoid doing any drugs, be it pot, booze, prescription drugs, etc..



Charles6682 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:25:10 PM)

I do think wee should be regulated like how alcohol is regulated. Just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean it's ok to drink "moonshine". People are going to smoke weed regardless of its legal status. If it is legalized and regulated properly, it would have to be a lot safer than what drugdealers are mixing it with. Drugdealers only goal is to make money. I doubt they care which "drug" it is. The current system across the world is a joke at the current moment. Its waste a lot of resources and money, that could be better spent on real crimes.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

A general question.

Where do you draw the line with weed ? At what strength do you consider it safe ? The stuff on sale today in the UK is more potent than that of the 80s, let alone the sixties, super strength Skunk is stronger still. Skunk has been shown to cuase several issues affecting mentla health, such as paranoia and an effect on short term memory. Studies in the UK have proved this beyond doubt.

My question is, does anything go, or should a line be drawn regards super strength weed.



ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:37:21 PM)

Legalise them all!
That's the only, legitimate course of action if we consider ourselves a free society. A truly conservative take requires that the government NOT interfere with personal choices, such as what we choose to ingest into our bodies. Regulate and tax it the way we do alcohol. Put an end to our Prison Industrial Complex. Rake in enormous amounts of tax revenue, a large chink of which should go to rehab and education. Put drug-dealing street gangs out of business. Massive reduction in crime.

Yes, some will abuse it and they will cause accidents and end their own lives early. That happens now with alcohol but thanks to stricter enforcement and strong public education programs, alcohol abuse is way down from 20 years ago.

If we get it all out in the open we can deal with it like adults instead of the constant 12-yo type of knee-jerk reaction



BitYakin -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 5:40:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

A general question.

Where do you draw the line with weed ? At what strength do you consider it safe ? The stuff on sale today in the UK is more potent than that of the 80s, let alone the sixties, super strength Skunk is stronger still. Skunk has been shown to cuase several issues affecting mentla health, such as paranoia and an effect on short term memory. Studies in the UK have proved this beyond doubt.

My question is, does anything go, or should a line be drawn regards super strength weed.



why should there be? is there any limit on the strength AKA proof of liquer...

you can buy beer, or wine, or whiskey, or 151 rum or even everclear...

as for the downsides of the effects, are they any worse than being stupid drunk?

for instance as in another thread there is a guy that challeneged a man with a gun by picking up a ROCK!

thats STUPID DRUNK IN MY BOOK!

soooo a lil paranoia and can't rememebr where I took off my shoes as opposed to fall down puking and challangeing a man wiht a gun with a ROCK!

I'll take the LOST SHOES ONE!!!



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 6:10:12 PM)

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that is why drug dealers add other drugs and crap (without telling buyers) into their pot.. to get them hooked on the drugs they added..


That is absolutely untrue period. Period. No question about it and I will tell you why;

It is not cost effective. There is nothing and I mean nothing they could possibly put in pot that would be cheaper than pot that'll make the pot "better". They would just sell any such substance outright for more money.


There are only three things generally mixed with pot. One is hash. Hash doesn't really taste like pot and you can tell, however hash goes for plenty more money.

Then there is opium. Some decide to smoke opium underglass or in bowls after some prep and mixing with either pot or tobacco. You can tell it is opuim hands down and if someone were to detect it in the weed, they would probably want to buy some outright, by itself, again, for more money than the pot costs.

And then there is PCP. First of all PCP is flammable and the joints cannot be lit with an open flame unless you want to look like Richard Pryor. It also smells like melting plastic. It is one hell of a buzz but it is not appreciated by most pot connoiseurs. You can make cheap PC at home but still it is easier to transport, costs more money per weight, AND evaporates. It must be kept in jars and shit like that. If you get crystal PCP 9not as volitile) it doesn't mix well with the pot.

PCP is the only thing cheap enough to actually mix with pot and as I have pointed out it wouldn't work anyway. Nobody is going to put heroin or even crank (meth) in it for free. They will sell you the other stuff and you can put it in yourself.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 6:17:33 PM)

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for instance as in another thread there is a guy that challeneged a man with a gun by picking up a ROCK


I wonder what the guy who tried to rob a gunstore with a ballbat was on.

Actually it is all a moot point. The government has no right to tell me or anyone what we can put in our bodies. People get too high or drunk and fuck up, deal with it. Throw them in jail if they hurt others and shit. They do it when they're straight.

Intoxication is already no excuse anyway, so where's the logic here ? To fill up the jails. It's the only thing that makes sense.

The fact is FUKUM, I am going to do whatever I damn well please no matter what.

And again, why was prohibition an amendment rather than just legislation ? I want to know who else knows.

T^T



tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 7:29:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

quote:

that is why drug dealers add other drugs and crap (without telling buyers) into their pot.. to get them hooked on the drugs they added..


That is absolutely untrue period. Period. No question about it and I will tell you why;

It is not cost effective. There is nothing and I mean nothing they could possibly put in pot that would be cheaper than pot that'll make the pot "better". They would just sell any such substance outright for more money.


Its like bait and switch, where they get you hooked on something or like a certain high and then they switch you to the harder stuff at the higher prices.. so they get more money plus cuz you are hooked, you are a regular customer, not just buying once in a while like with pot.. its like when someone wants to get some kid at school hooked, you give him a few freebies to get them liking the high and eventually hooked..

And my ex actually had that happen to him, he bought some pot from someone and it was laced.. He never bought from that guy again but I am sure that technique works on others.. Meth is pretty cheap, especially where I am from where the ingredients are very easy to buy.. (the ingredients are much harder to buy here in the US)..


"Though marijuana is less likely to be adulterated than hard drugs are, it still occurs, and has been reported in several countries.
In the Netherlands two chemical analogs of Sildenafil (Viagra) were found in adulterated marijuana.[3]
In 2008, 30 German teenagers were hospitalized after the marijuana which they smoked was found to have been contaminated with lead (presumably metallic lead particles), which was added in order to increase its weight.[4]
Occasionally, cannabis (especially that of low quality) is laced with PCP, particularly in the United States.[5][6] However, it is not always done surreptitiously. Dealers who do so often (but not always) advertise their wares as being "enhanced" with other substances, and charge more money than they would otherwise, even if they do not say exactly what the lacing agents are. Such concoctions are often called "fry", "wet", "illy", "sherm", "water-water", "dust(ed)", "super weed", "grecodine" or other names."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacing_(drugs)

"Meth-laced pot a huge problem, experts say
Both police and a leading psychiatrist said yesterday they are beginning to see evidence of marijuana laced with highly addictive crystal meth."
MacEwan, a psychiatrist at St. Paul's Hospital who also heads the schizophrenia program in the psychiatry department at the University of B.C., says he's seeing patients who claim they only smoke marijuana but in whose systems crystal meth is found.
Other doctors working in drug treatment have told him they're also seeing strung-out patients who have smoked meth-laced pot, MacEwan says.
Knowing that pot is being laced with crystal meth is worrisome for those in the health-care field, he notes.
"For a lot of people, it could take them by surprise," he says.
Meth is being added to pot because of its addictive qualities, MacEwan says.
"Drug dealers hypothetically are trying to get people hooked, and crystal meth is a chemical addiction," he says. "You develop a market when they're hooked on your product."
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=82e58213-6a9a-4ab9-bfe3-9b4894296902



RottenJohnny -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 7:41:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

quote:

that is why drug dealers add other drugs and crap (without telling buyers) into their pot.. to get them hooked on the drugs they added..


That is absolutely untrue period. Period. No question about it and I will tell you why;

It is not cost effective. There is nothing and I mean nothing they could possibly put in pot that would be cheaper than pot that'll make the pot "better". They would just sell any such substance outright for more money.


There are only three things generally mixed with pot. One is hash. Hash doesn't really taste like pot and you can tell, however hash goes for plenty more money.

Then there is opium. Some decide to smoke opium underglass or in bowls after some prep and mixing with either pot or tobacco. You can tell it is opuim hands down and if someone were to detect it in the weed, they would probably want to buy some outright, by itself, again, for more money than the pot costs.

And then there is PCP. First of all PCP is flammable and the joints cannot be lit with an open flame unless you want to look like Richard Pryor. It also smells like melting plastic. It is one hell of a buzz but it is not appreciated by most pot connoiseurs. You can make cheap PC at home but still it is easier to transport, costs more money per weight, AND evaporates. It must be kept in jars and shit like that. If you get crystal PCP 9not as volitile) it doesn't mix well with the pot.

PCP is the only thing cheap enough to actually mix with pot and as I have pointed out it wouldn't work anyway. Nobody is going to put heroin or even crank (meth) in it for free. They will sell you the other stuff and you can put it in yourself.

T^T


Wrong.

First of all, people have been adding flavors to pot in order to make it smell and taste like blueberries, strawberries, and a few other things. Granted, not buzz-enhancing but still potentially dangerous depending on what's in the flavoring.

Second, people will mix all kinds of things with pot and smoke it. We used the term "corndog" if it had cocaine in it. But I've seen people crush up pharmaceuticals and mix it in as well.



tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 7:53:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Goldacre makes some good points but doesnt actually refute scientific studies.

Here is an article about heroin being added to pot in the UK... so when someone says that pot can give some users mental problems or whatever, I really question if it actually was from pot or from something added to the pot.. which can also make some people feel pot is a gateway drug when again, it wasnt the pot, it was what the pot was laced with.. As far as studies go, as I pointed out in the previous post article, some info/stats can easily be manipulated to give the result you are looking for..

"Secret off-the-record discussions between police and a supplier in London have revealed how recreational drug users are being tricked into becoming addicted to Class A drugs.
Detective Sergeant Hari McCarthy, of Sussex Police, said: “People buy it thinking it’s just very strong weed.”
“It’s not being sold as skunk, just good weed, but it’s an easy way to get users hooked on heroin.”
She added that dealers mixed various chemicals with cannabis before selling it, including tranquillisers and even urine."
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4543376.Heroin_laced_cannabis_heading_to_Brighton_streets__police_fear/



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 9:53:20 PM)

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Its like bait and switch, where they get you hooked on something or like a certain high and then they switch you to the harder stuff at the higher prices..


Look, I don't know or care who told you that bullshit but I have bought, sold, used and even grown dope of many kinds. So have most of the people I grew up with. I know people who have gotten busted with 200 pounds and only did a year. I know a friend of a friend whose lawyer was asked a question about if he plays golf and asked "What, you gonna buy me clubs ?", "No, we'll buy you a golf COURSE".

To this day within three phone calls I can get you ANYTHING except certain pharaceuticals, like the PCP they give to million dollar race horses. Man is that shit good, but it has to be stolen, there is no other way. I can get it but it would take about a month and run you probably $200 a vial with taking them all because most people can't handle the shit and wind up in jail. Nobody really deals it anymore as a result.

Now whatever brocure they handed out at a church or some shit means nothing, I WAS THERE. I have dealt. I have smuggled. I have been a diversion. I have ridden on runs where there were enough guns in the car to take on a city police department.

I should have never stopped because we didn't have to give anything away, nor lace anything, and we never got busted because unlike the brothers we were not out on the streetcorner yelling "dimes, dimes, anyone need any dimes". Those people don't lace anything either. I know the prices and the effects. So do they, it's called street math.

What, after a while you tell the customers that you been putting this other shit in their weed but now they can buy it separate ? They would drop a dime in a fucking herartbeat and come back with marked bills. They don't know (yet) that the witness protection program is a death sentence because it is so full of holes, so you still do the time. The ones who are stupid enough to do that shit are not professional and they are the ones who get busted fast.

Dealers with any fucking class and brains won't deal with junkies either, seriously. The cops have more drugs than us, and can buy whatever they want from a junkie.

The only thing anyone would put in pot is that canibas without the THC, some of it is called Indiana ditch weed. It tastes wonderful, really tastes like really kickass weed but has zero delta 7, 8 or 9 THC in it so there is NO BUZZ. They put that in so it smells and tastes better but it is not a drug. What's more, no matter how good it tastes if it doesn't get you a buzz you will not go back for more.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 9:58:17 PM)

"Meth-laced pot a huge problem, experts say
Both police and a leading psychiatrist said yesterday they are beginning to see evidence of marijuana laced with highly addictive crystal meth." "

A HUGE problem ? My ass. I'll tell you what. You find that shit and I'll take all you can get. (actually joking but it would be a good investment)

They found EVIDENCE of it ? That's easy to figure, people are doing meth and smoking pot, maybe together but they are not admitting to the meth. Meth has stiffer penalties you know.

I say this, IF dealers are actually selling the shit, THEY ARE TELLING PEOPLE AND CHARGING FOR IT.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 10:01:13 PM)

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First of all, people have been adding flavors to pot in order to make it smell and taste like blueberries, strawberries, and a few other things. Granted, not buzz-enhancing but still potentially dangerous depending on what's in the flavoring.


And not addictive either.

"Second, people will mix all kinds of things with pot and smoke it. We used the term "corndog" if it had cocaine in it. But I've seen people crush up pharmaceuticals and mix it in as well. "

PEOPLE will do that. I've doen it myself with hash and opium, and a few times with coke. It doesn't work all that well and is usually done with a crowd because there is not enough to go around. Normally you burn one, do a couple of lines. Opium, if prepared properly goes really good in pot, but the price is just too much.

Maybe I am just a rich kid or something.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 10:04:46 PM)

""Secret off-the-record discussions between police and a supplier in London have revealed how recreational drug users are being tricked into becoming addicted to Class A drugs. "

Secret off the record. Well that's a lie. So we should trust the rest of it ?

This is all to whip up the canibas phobia. Secret off the record with whom ? Some guy selling nickel bags on the street ?

Sure.

T^T



tj444 -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 10:07:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Look, I don't know or care who told you that bullshit

Look, I dont care what you claim you have done or how connected you claim you are.. You can "brag" all you want.. I am from the Pot Capital of Canada and I have done things I wont talk about or admit to.. not even on an online forum.. and I dont go to church!.. [sm=tongue.gif] [:D]



Termyn8or -> RE: Uruguay legalises marijuana (8/1/2013 10:10:33 PM)

What, a little bit of drugs and shit ? They don't really care. Let them come.

I don't buy this off the record shit and found evidence that. Have YOU bought laced pot when the dealer didn't tell you ?

What some cop in England says doesn't mean shit.

T



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