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Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 9:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was just sitting here in my kitchen when I heard heavy airplane engines. I looked out the window to see a B-17 fly overhead! It's probably on its way to or from an airshow, but it's always cool to see one of those old warbirds!

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 1:11:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went to an airshow several years ago that featured a number of cool aircraft, including a B17, a C47 dakota that had flown during the Berlin Airlift, and they had a flight demonstration of a P51 mustang that holy cow was it loud (I hear it is because the tips of the propellers actually go supersonic). I always hold a special place in my heart with the P51, the plane that went from design board to production in like 90 days and ended up becoming a legend. I actually got to see all three of the big planes of the allies at that show, they actually had a Mustang, a Hurricane and a Spitfire there, which from what I hear is rare,though only the Mustang flew. There also was an ME 109 there, that I heard a humorous, but probably apocryphal story about, supposedly a rich guy bought it and restored it, and it had working machine guns, which the FAA was none too thrilled about, and showed up one day at the hanger it was stored in and told him to have someone disable the gun by welding the barrel shut or something or remove them from the plane entirely, or they were seizing it....kind of can't blame them, I think the ME 109 had 20mm caliber rounds in the wings.

Though I read one source that said it was the best fighter of WWII, and it definitely wasn't, the Spitfire and Hurricane shot down a lot of them, and when the Mustang went into service the Luftwaffe was wiped out in about 6 months effectively.....

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 1:33:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ME-109 had different armaments, depending on the model. Most often encountered was the E or Emil, and it had two 7.92mm MG08 or MG15 guns in the upper cowling, and two 20mm cannon mounted in the wing roots. All had interrupter gearing to permit firing through the propeller arc, and I heard the story about the restorer too.

The P-51 propeller tips don't quite go supersonic, because then they start to cavitate and lose efficiency. Pretty close, though. And it wasn't really the quality of the plane, it was the lack of pilots and the way the Germans had to keep their pilots in harm's way as opposed to the Allies practice of rotating them out of the war zone to train new ones.

While the ME-109 was a cool-looking plane, my personal favorite was the FW-190. It's an absolutely sexy bird, forget who built and flew it. Spits and 'Stangs are cool, but I want to see one of these at an airshow. (image sourced so no one gets tweaked about swastikas):




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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 2:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seeing one of the old warbirds in flight is a rare opportunity.

So, I just take a trip to one of six Confederate Air Force fields in Texas, sorry, Commemorative Air Force, seems that a few years ago, some butt hurt people took offense to the name and filed a lawsuit to force its change.

So, for the record, I am a rebel, a proud son of the Confederacy, a member of the Free Texas movement, and a firm believer in slavery, every man should own at least six women of any race.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 3:19:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Hawker Typhoon is my fave amongst the old war birds, I grew up in a place called Biggin Hill and we had an airshow there every year :-) Biggin Hill was a WW2 fighter base btw if you didn't know. There would have been loads of ME 109's buzzing the place, there were hundreds of old bomb craters that we used to play in as kids dotted around the countryside near the airfield.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 3:32:31 PM   
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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 3:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		My faves from the airshow were nearly all American planes, the A10 Warthog, Flying Fortress, Grumman Hell Cat, Dakota's, Catalina Flying Boat. The sound of a Spitfire engine is hard to top though.

Never saw the SR 71 though which is the best and most beautiful aircraft ever built to my eye.

edit: sorry got carried away on this thread, I love all things mechanical :-/

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 9:27:57 PM   
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I was lucky enough to get to work with one of those old birds. Not this one though. It has no jets between the motors.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 9:34:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I love about the B-17, it's got that Art Deco look to it, yet at the same time it was a hardcore warplane. There's a museum near me, in Geneseo, that has one, along with a number of other old planes.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/3/2013 11:36:48 PM   
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Art Deco seems a fair accusation. There was just something it had, that the B24 didn't even know about. Everyone liked the B-17.



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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 1:24:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		like the Dakota, it is just perfectly proportioned, gorgeous design

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 3:01:48 AM   
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They don't call me 'racy spitfire' for nothing !

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 5:55:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Master Caneman, there is another museum in Hammondsport NY, The Curtiss Museum, that is chock full of old motorcycles and airplanes, you might enjoy. Glenn Curtiss was a bicycle racer, who graduated to building and racing motorcycles, and then moved on to aviation. The Curtiss "Jenny" was a mainstay, used mostly for training pilots in WWII. Great museum for a gearhead, and every August the local chapter of the antique motorcycle club shows their bikes there as well.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 12:10:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		My Uncle Richie flew B-24s in WWII. They used to joke that the B-24 was the box the B-17 came in. There's a funny story, in that he was one of the few guys to arrive so late in the war, he got to miss actual combat in two theatres by only a few days. All he ended up doing was dropping live ordnance in the English Channel and the Pacific. He went on to fly C-47s and C-54s in Korea.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 4:24:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pleased by that, Master Caneman. It's always a good thing to miss a war.

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RE: Oh! For Cool! - 8/4/2013 7:02:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get the same feeling when the giant military helicopters fly over my apartment building going towards the ocean to either fly to Vandenberg Air force Base or when they are carrying the president back to LAX....wow! they sure are loud and fly low..it scares me at first but excites me once I realize what the sound is.

PS...thanks to all who posted the neat photos of the bombers!

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