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SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 1:49:41 PM)
It is kind of an interesting concept; I'd heard of feminization, don't know why I never considered there might be an opposite to that. Might be kind of interesting to try (sort of like preparing for an acting role, maybe;(didn't Demi Moore do this kind of thing for the movie G.I. Jane..)? Congratulations to cloudboy on his 1,000th post! No it doesn't mean you need to "get a life" I am one (among many I am sure), who always look forward to reading your posts because they can say so much - please don't stop! -Susan

Caretakr -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 1:52:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy The question I wonder about is would a woman find DEFEMNIZATION exciting. If I were to defeminize a woman she would have to: Wear no makeup Cut her hair short No dresses or skirts For formalwear she'd always have to wear a tie. Maybe her breasts would have to be tied down. Mabye she would have to talk more deeply. She'd have all the manly chores too: lawn mowing, gutter cleaning, etc. I might also require her to memorize sports statistics and follow a sports league. She would not be allowed to drink wine. She's have to lean how to play poker, and participate in a regular game. She would be subject to "silent days" where she could only speak for the length of one sentence at a time. Nodding and one word answers in lieu of that. She'd lift weights. She'd cuss. Basically, I think it could be a very interesting project. Needless to say tomboys are much more accepted than femboys. Roles for girls are just that much more expansive. BTW: Who doesn't love Tomboys? P.S. I am sad to report this is my 1,000nth post. Does this mean I need to get a life? Congrats on the 1000 posts. But I think you miss the point a tad. What you speak of is "masculization" not defeminization. One is about bending gender-the other, about eliminating it. male/female/other [;)]

slavejali -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 1:55:24 PM)
Although I can get my head around this topic in regard to someone finding themselves beautiful on the inside not just the outside..I think in this day and age..a lot of women have actually lost contact with their femininity and dont need any help emasculating themselves.

Fawne -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 1:59:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth when we met I placed a higher value on her than she did. No matter what else we've accomplished or obtained as a couple, I'm most proud of the fact that is no longer the case. beth has no doubt of her "worth". It has nothing to do with me helping her "grow". her worth was there all the time, just like her submission, needing only someone to point it out to her; someone to make her aware and allow her the freedom to be "beth". Elizabeth may have been the insecure, fearful, needing to please, woman, daughter, wife, mother, abused friend. beth is a confident, self assured slave. Different and interesting post. That is wonderful, Mercnbeth, thanks for sharing. Although few may admit it; some of us experience feelings of worthlessness. Yes, and a blindness. To have someone care enough.... I can begin to see, what else can be said? quote: when Master and this slave met, this slave was in service to everyone...literally. every relationship this slave had, be it financial, physical, emotional, platonic, blood related or otherwise, this slave was the subservient one...good obedient slaves might be hard to find, but good responsible Masters are too. Oh boy... can this one relate to that. [&:] Many more blessings to you, fawne

LaTigresse -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 2:08:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali Although I can get my head around this topic in regard to someone finding themselves beautiful on the inside not just the outside..I think in this day and age..a lot of women have actually lost contact with their femininity and dont need any help emasculating themselves. jali, as always you have brought a smile to my face. Your words are my thoughts exactly, thank you.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 2:33:16 PM)
quote: It's a valid viewpoint. BDSM culture tends to over-exagerrate the sexual appeal of females- corsets, heels, hair maintenance. Someone going against that and actually denying all of those outlets to someone can have a profound affect on their self-perception and acceptance of their surrender. And than there is the option "there is such a thing as taking shit too far", or so they say in my vernacular. [:-] I hope for everyone to be comfortable in his/her skin, but I personally like masculine looking men (as they tend to be more fun/ny looking when wearing pink panties), and I love feminine looking women (just to look at unfortunately). M

SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 2:37:56 PM)
I agree that was a beautiful post (gives me hope too, since I can be the all-time people pleaser-of-the-universe type much of the time). -Susan

SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 3:59:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig And than there is the option "there is such a thing as taking shit too far", or so they say in my vernacular. [:-] I agree. What I read was a big example of taking things way too far. I can understand defeminization to a degree like short hair, no makeup, no jewellrey, binding breasts, etc., but when the extremes I mentioned reading of come into play, to me that is taking it way too far, beyond outer limits. Mutilating ears, gaining excessive weight, removing breasts are beyond defeminization I think. Permanent altering of the body to that degree is just too much in my opinion. I can't grasp someone wanting to do that to themselves or allowing it to be done to please another whether they want this done to them or not. I personally would question a Dom that wanted to take things to such an extreme. I could not submit to such extremes.

Caretakr -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 4:22:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig And than there is the option "there is such a thing as taking shit too far", or so they say in my vernacular. [:-] I agree. What I read was a big example of taking things way too far. I can understand defeminization to a degree like short hair, no makeup, no jewellrey, binding breasts, etc., but when the extremes I mentioned reading of come into play, to me that is taking it way too far, beyond outer limits. Mutilating ears, gaining excessive weight, removing breasts are beyond defeminization I think. Permanent altering of the body to that degree is just too much in my opinion. I can't grasp someone wanting to do that to themselves or allowing it to be done to please another whether they want this done to them or not. I personally would question a Dom that wanted to take things to such an extreme. I could not submit to such extremes. While I cannot see asking anyone to submit themselves to this,I an aware of those who have undergone surgery to remove thier gentials and sexual charachteristics. I think it was due to them never realy feeling an identification with either sex, and just wanting to be human..Instead of a class of human.

SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 4:49:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr While I cannot see asking anyone to submit themselves to this,I an aware of those who have undergone surgery to remove thier gentials and sexual charachteristics. I think it was due to them never realy feeling an identification with either sex, and just wanting to be human..Instead of a class of human. I've heard of that as well. Still hard to wrap my mind around but I could understand that better than adding mutilating ears and nose and excessive weight gain to that.

Caretakr -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 4:53:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr While I cannot see asking anyone to submit themselves to this,I an aware of those who have undergone surgery to remove thier gentials and sexual charachteristics. I think it was due to them never realy feeling an identification with either sex, and just wanting to be human..Instead of a class of human. I've heard of that as well. Still hard to wrap my mind around but I could understand that better than adding mutilating ears and nose and excessive weight gain to that. But what you described has nothing to do with defeminization..it's ruination.[&:]

SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 5:01:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr But what you described has nothing to do with defeminization..it's ruination.[&:] Good point [sm=smile.gif] and I agree it is ruination verses defeminization, it was simply presented in the context of or as a part of defeminization in the blog entry.

amayos -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 5:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane I was reading a new 360 contact's blog this morning and came across this topic. Forced feminization has been discussed a good bit here, but I've not seen much on the topic of defeminization. This entry is about a 19 year old sub very very new to the lifestyle and involved with her very first Dom. He believes in defeminization. He has so far, she claims, had her long long hair shaved to a buzz cut, forbids her any kind of makeup, no jewellery, nails very very short, told her she must gain at least 200lbs., shave her eyebrows, and some rather extreme things are also mentioned. While the entry itself may be just a story or fantasy due to some of the very extreme things mentioned as being done, the topic of defeminization was what got me thinking. Now some of the extreme things mentioned as being done (keep in mind this is very likely fantasy and not a true story) are teeth and breast removal, and removal of the outer part of the ears to prevent wearing earrings and then enlargement of the ears and nose. The Dom's philosophy is that vanity has no place in a sub, and subs are only there to please their Master. I am curious as to opinions, thoughts and views on defeminization from Doms, subs and all, and would love to hear from any that are into this. Why they are into it, etc. There are some interesting points made in response to this post. I give a respectful nod to the "thinking outside the box" motif present in the exchange. However, I think I'll continue to prefer slender, shapely, and sexually appealing, as stereotypically defined. While I'd rather a girl go completely naked from head to toe, high heels and short skirts, painted lips and barely clad tits are too sweet a pleasure to not behold. Growth and awareness, androgynous revelation and "personal growth" in this light are all fair causes to pursue, I suppose. To each Owner his or her pleasure. Enslavement through sexual objectification is just too fun for me to give up, however.

Vendaval -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 6:49:16 PM)
If I was working with a sub/slave that wanted to go the route of forced de-feminization or forced de-masculation; the adding or removing of clothing, jewelry, make-up, hair-style, mannerisms, speech and body language would all be well within the parameters. Exploring the boundaries of gender identity is exciting to Me. Finding the space between female, male and androgynous would be an interesting journey, both in regards to the sub/slave and the reactions of the society around them. In regards to permanent body modification, that goes beyond the boundaries of what I would be comfortable with in a D/s relationship. Regards, Vendaval

LadiesBladewing -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 7:01:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Who they are is not represented by appearance. Most people never learn that lesson. But the lesson isn't "growth" it is honest self awareness. I am not my body... I am not my mind or thoughts... I am not my feelings... What I -am- is that part of me that looks out on all of these things, and observes them...watches them exist and change... from a place far beyond "the shell" - I am that I am, and it is good. ZWD

enigmabrat -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 7:04:23 PM)
Honestly sounds like a fantasy thing and not a real life story I cant emagine anyone REALLY doing those things.... and any Dom that wants that isnt really in my mind a Dom just an insecure jerk that seeks to make a person so unatrative to the world that she has no choice to stay with him the "only" person who could want her. Its not defeminisation its controll and in my eyes abuse aspecially to a 19 yo that is still so very young and cant posably be totaly sure of what she wants again thats in my opinion

cloudboy -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 7:08:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos Enslavement through sexual objectification is just too fun for me to give up, however. You mean what is otherwise known as degenerate BDSM. [O God, I have crossed over the posting threshold.]

SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/29/2006 9:07:19 PM)
Well I guess I wouldn't be attracted to certain things...like a guy in a dress or something (but that is completely personal and I am totally open to people who have a proclivity for that; it just doesn't turn me on). I, for one, am looking forward to your next 1,000, cloudboy. (Betcha can't get up to 1,500 by Saturday (I am kidding)... -Susan

SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 4:49:39 AM)
Now I am really curious as to how many guys are out there (hetero guys) that would like this...the tomboy thing (not cutting off someone's breasts or anything that extreme). I am not advocating pro or con, I am just plain curious. -Susan

findmedaddy -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 5:25:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Now I am really curious as to how many guys are out there (hetero guys) that would like this...the tomboy thing (not cutting off someone's breasts or anything that extreme). I am not advocating pro or con, I am just plain curious. -Susan In my experience as a tomboy....not too many...or, at least, not enough! [sm=frown.gif]

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