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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Even if this guys numbers are right, and that is an arguable point, then the homicide rate in the UK is 45% of the US rate at most. Still a pretty significant difference.

Fine, but the issue is the ability to accurately use statistics in support of one's position. 45% is not 15% no matter how one slices it. And if that is not important unto itself, why bother with statistics at all?

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

It is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic.

On to the oopsie. I have frequently in this series referred to the English murder rates as historically low and currently very low compared to US murder rates. I blandly accepted the murder statistics published by the UK Home Office as definitive. I overlooked the details of what and how the English counted "murders." It turns out that was a big mistake. (I was first turned onto my error by this post at Extrano's Alley.)

I fell into a definitions trap you may not be aware of. The shortest version is this. We count and report crimes based on initial data. The Brits count and report crimes based on the outcome of the investigation and trial. Yep, that says what I meant it to say.

We're not comparing apples to apples, we're comparing apples to meatloaf.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

It is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic.

On to the oopsie. I have frequently in this series referred to the English murder rates as historically low and currently very low compared to US murder rates. I blandly accepted the murder statistics published by the UK Home Office as definitive. I overlooked the details of what and how the English counted "murders." It turns out that was a big mistake. (I was first turned onto my error by this post at Extrano's Alley.)

I fell into a definitions trap you may not be aware of. The shortest version is this. We count and report crimes based on initial data. The Brits count and report crimes based on the outcome of the investigation and trial. Yep, that says what I meant it to say.

We're not comparing apples to apples, we're comparing apples to meatloaf.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

It is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic.

On to the oopsie. I have frequently in this series referred to the English murder rates as historically low and currently very low compared to US murder rates. I blandly accepted the murder statistics published by the UK Home Office as definitive. I overlooked the details of what and how the English counted "murders." It turns out that was a big mistake. (I was first turned onto my error by this post at Extrano's Alley.)

I fell into a definitions trap you may not be aware of. The shortest version is this. We count and report crimes based on initial data. The Brits count and report crimes based on the outcome of the investigation and trial. Yep, that says what I meant it to say.

We're not comparing apples to apples, we're comparing apples to meatloaf.

this is really weak, are you trying to say that Britain is a violent place? Are you trying to say America isn't a violent place? Are you trying to say that the difference is smaller than people, or should I say Brits, think it is? Or is it a piss poor pro gun thread?
It's so riddled with bollocks I can't tell.

Stay safe, I will, it's easy over here

I think he's trying to say it is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic. I'm not sure where I got that idea, it does seems obscure, but for some reason it popped into my head.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

It is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic.

On to the oopsie. I have frequently in this series referred to the English murder rates as historically low and currently very low compared to US murder rates. I blandly accepted the murder statistics published by the UK Home Office as definitive. I overlooked the details of what and how the English counted "murders." It turns out that was a big mistake. (I was first turned onto my error by this post at Extrano's Alley.)

I fell into a definitions trap you may not be aware of. The shortest version is this. We count and report crimes based on initial data. The Brits count and report crimes based on the outcome of the investigation and trial. Yep, that says what I meant it to say.

We're not comparing apples to apples, we're comparing apples to meatloaf.

this is really weak, are you trying to say that Britain is a violent place? Are you trying to say America isn't a violent place? Are you trying to say that the difference is smaller than people, or should I say Brits, think it is? Or is it a piss poor pro gun thread?
It's so riddled with bollocks I can't tell.

Stay safe, I will, it's easy over here

I think he's trying to say it is entirely possible that any comparison between the US and UK, as to violent death statistics, is highly problematic. I'm not sure where I got that idea, it does seems obscure, but for some reason it popped into my head.

K.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Given the percentage of US murders which are related to inner-city gangbanger bullshit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Americans outside those free-fire zones are considerably safer than the equivalent 'burb dwelling Briton.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

I wonder if there is a day in the history of mankind, not one person was murdered by another? What a good day that would be.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eve pretty much murdered Adam by beguiling him with the apple.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eve pretty much murdered Adam by beguiling him with the apple.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Given the percentage of US murders which are related to inner-city gangbanger bullshit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Americans outside those free-fire zones are considerably safer than the equivalent 'burb dwelling Briton.

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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eve pretty much murdered Adam by beguiling him with the apple.

Only if you believe that particular mythology. I don't see how that one is any more or less valid that the mythology that says Odin created the skies by splitting open Ymir's head and using his brains.

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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eve pretty much murdered Adam by beguiling him with the apple.

Only if you believe that particular mythology. I don't see how that one is any more or less valid that the mythology that says Odin created the skies by splitting open Ymir's head and using his brains.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eve pretty much murdered Adam by beguiling him with the apple.