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ResidentSadist -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (8/16/2013 7:09:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pyramus
For some reason, I don't see the difference between Sadism and Masochism versus Sadomasochism?

Seriously, you don't see the difference between the trait that helps take sociopaths (Anti Social PD) to the level of serial killers as being different from a sexual pleasure practices sadomasochism in BDSM? Holy shit dude . . . you are on a BDSM forum billed as "The Largest BDSM Community on the Planet" and you don't even know the difference between Sadism and Masochism versus Sadomasochism? Nor have you looked it up?

Symptoms of sadism (Sadistic Personality Disorder): . . . pulling wings off flies and torturing domestic pets as a child. Growing up to extend those tortures non consensually to others. Individuals possessing sadistic personalities display recurrent cruel behavior and aggression. Sadism can also include the use of emotional cruelty, purposefully manipulating others through the use of fear, and a preoccupation with violence.

Sadomasochism: . . . is the giving and/or receiving of pleasure and gratification, often sexual pleasure from acts involving the infliction or reception of pain or humiliation.

There was new term (it is fading fast) a some years ago called "sexual sadism" (and sexual masochism) to define them differently from the clinical conditions of sadism and masochism which didn't fall within the context of mutual consent. Sadomasochism, sexual sadism and sexual masochism should not be mistaken for acts of sadism, masochism, self destructive acts, sexual violence and/or aggression.

All you anti-label people that say, "it's all the same and labels don't matter, it's what you think it means" help give birth to this kind of ignorance. That's like joining a LGBT site but you don't see the difference between bisexual and gay . . . and expecting not to get slapped in the face? Give me a break and pick up a book or something.




socalsissi -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/12/2013 6:27:17 AM)

bdsm is a lifestyle its a way of life. some people follow christianality, some follow hindu some follow budda. EVERYBODY Has the to follow and live under any religion they so please to do. in return bdsm is kind of like a religion to some not all.





TigressLily -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/12/2013 9:00:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AaNiMaLl

How do you explain BDSM to a Vanilla?... It is in my DNA, running in my blood and I feel it.... That love is for one person to have total control.

[Post#28:] The question is, why is one person controlling another person healthy for both people?


First of all, you cannot explain anything to anyone who has no frame of reference. Therefore, the onus is on you to find that common point to use as your launching pad. (I'm assuming these are friendly discussions, not debates, where you are attempting to enlighten another who has a serious interest in learning more about either the subject or your particular lifestyle.) Whenever I've discussed astrology, for instance, my objective was not to convert someone to my way of thinking. I won't discuss astrology with a staunch unbeliever, unless it's to answer a few pertinent questions. If this is a person who is not close-minded or not arrogantly challenging me to prove myself, I've offered to take a look at his/her natal chart. 99% of the time, the individual wants to learn or is inquisitive enough to be receptive to this request. (I've always honed in on personality profiling, synastry or composite chart comparisons with a spouse/lover, not the forecasting or fortune-telling aspect of astrology.)

As for the second portion, if I may paraphrase your question, how can an intimate D/s relationship be a healthy one when co-dependency is such a dirty word? We've all seen, lived or witnessed a dysfunctional, toxic co-dependent relationship in action. However, an interdependent relationship is vital and mutually fulfilling. If not for these in general, we would all be anti-social misfits. I believe it is the responsibility of the Dominant to maintain balance, not in terms of switching D/s roles, but in ensuring there is the same level of matching intensity, including bonds of trust. Your partner may be willing to relinquish control, give you the TPE you want, but if you have an all-consuming passion for your lover which is not reciprocated, then TPE becomes nothing more than a momentary play toy to be picked up then discarded at whim. Another way to put this would be you see your partner as your lover-mate, but your partner sees you as a play partner or as more of a (kinky) boyfriend until Master Right comes along. Then any intimate relationship could become an unhealthy one. Or another example would be someone who wants to be owned much more than the Owner wants or values the submissive/slave. Out of reciprocal balance.

Regarding BDSM in general, I view it differently. I don't believe the SM should have ever been combined. I won't argue semantics on whether Humiliation & Punishment fall under the category of Sado-Masochism. I've also heard it referred to as an acronym within an acronym, and I prefer this definition: Bondage [Discipline S]ado-Masochism, where DS also stands for [Dominance Submission]
In fact, I mentally substitute SM as standing for Slave/Master-Mistress.




ResidentSadist -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/12/2013 10:51:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: socalsissi
bdsm is a lifestyle its a way of life. some people follow christianality, some follow hindu some follow budda. EVERYBODY Has the to follow and live under any religion they so please to do. in return bdsm is kind of like a religion to some not all.

Well that explains why girls always start praying when I get them tied up on a cross.




SunTzuSwe -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/13/2013 1:58:56 AM)

If someone vanilla is interested in understanding BDSM I usually explain it in simple terms using emotions as guiding markers. Talking about things they are familiar with makes it easier to grasp. As a group BDSM practitioners are so diverse that it's sort of crazy trying to explain every kink or lumping everyone together under a common kink umbrella.




ivone57 -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/13/2013 2:21:38 AM)

why the need to explain at all... if they happen to see a love mark ie bruise and question it just say you bumped into something....no other explanation needed




SunTzuSwe -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/13/2013 7:17:49 AM)

Me, I'll give it a go if someone is interested and asks me about it. Curiosity is the first step to acceptance. :)

ivone57> I'm talking about explaining BDSM as a phenomenon, not explaining marks and bruises. Other people might be talking about bruises and stuff, I'm not.




MadameMarque -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/15/2013 5:34:59 AM)

First, as others have observed, the appeal of BDSM is pretty widespread. You can observe this long before the popularity of Shades of Grey. If any movie or book has a single BDSM scene contained in it, that is what you will see in the trailer and on the book cover. The most mainstream of sex boutiques has some BDSM supplies, and where there is erotica or porn, there is some BDSM included. However, for most people, it is the spice, and not the necessary main ingredient.

Most people can relate to the appeal of a much milder form of BDSM. I would say, you know how, in the heat of excitement, it can feel good, a little nip instead of a kiss, a little spank? (S&M) As you get excited, your pain tolerance goes up and a little pain turns into heightened pleasure, so that hard-riding sex and nails across your back are part of the rush.

You know how the idea of one partner tying up and then teasing another, pleasing them, enjoying them, can be really sensual and hot? (Bondage)

And you know how it's sexy, a little verbal teasing, "You naughty boy, you bad girl," or someone getting turned over somebody's knee, or one person is the other's "slave" for the evening? (Dominance/submission, humiliation)

It's like that.




MadameMarque -> RE: How to explain BDSM? (9/15/2013 5:43:55 AM)

P.S. ~ The best explanation I ever heard:
There was a BDSM/Leather convention in town, and this couple were out and about, one of them wearing a collar. They were checking out the Pike Place Market, and there was a little boy in a shop who was looking at the man's collar and had a very concerned expression. He said, very serious, "Why are you wearing that?" And the man leaned down to him and said, "Because it's fun," and smiled. And then the little boy knew exactly what he meant, and smiled and that was all he needed, to understand.




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