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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 7:48:21 AM   
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I remember reading a while back that Canada has a huge supply of fresh water, maybe the biggest in the world. That's good to know, in case we need some more water down here.

hey.. keep yer grubby little paws off Canada's water!!!


Well, we would pay for it of course. By the time we actually need it, we might be so desperate that we'd pay a pretty penny for it.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 7:55:28 AM   
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Well, we would pay for it of course. By the time we actually need it, we might be so desperate that we'd pay a pretty penny for it.

hmmm... ya'll have this habit of invading countries tho..

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 7:59:33 AM   
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Well, we would pay for it of course. By the time we actually need it, we might be so desperate that we'd pay a pretty penny for it.

hmmm... ya'll have this habit of invading countries tho..


Yeah, but only when Texans are thirsty...

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 8:13:50 AM   
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According to several sources SA produces about 24 million m^3 of fresh water per day at a cost of between $0.40 and $0.90 per m^3, depending on the price of oil. Which works out be between $3.5 billion and $8 billion per year.

For 260 gallons per m^3 even at $1.00 per m^3 you're at something like $0.004 per gallon. That's pretty cheap. Seems like it should be easier for us to do it on a larger scale.

That is very large scale, SA needs 20+ plants, most with attached power plants, to produce that much water. Also keep in mind the distances involved. West Texas is a long way from a coastline.


<cough, cough> Gulf of Mexico <cough, cough>

Maybe we can just move water from coastal desalination plants via light rail, instead of investing in infrastructure...

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 9:28:08 AM   
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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 10:48:28 AM   
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Who knows why that idiot Cameron is pushing for this in the UK. The pitfalls are already well known.

Seriously? You seriously don't know? OK granted the UK is not the US or Canada but in the political systems I'm aware of the answer to that question is easy, "Because he's paid to support it."


No he isnt...... He is paid to be prime minister. Any other payments would be illegal. I got your point even before you made it but there has been no suggestion Cameron has been approached by lobbyists on the issue.

For what its worth, we have an election on the horizon, I suspect Cameron will pull out all the stops to reduce energy costs, create jobs and in doing so, try and grab a few more votes. Cameron seems to be putting most of his eggs in one basket and hoping this issue save his arse at the next election. The ONLY thing that will save it is if he somehow manages to make less of a hash of it as Gordon Brown did before our last election.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 11:20:58 AM   
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Texas has 44 desalination plants, none of which are using seawater. For large amounts of water, infrastructure would need to be built, and we can safely assume that light rail may or may not be in the area of the fracking, so..........


Infrastructure needs to be built for desalination? Yup. And, that is why I mentioned the "infrastructure" project of light rail. Perhaps light rail isn't the infrastructure project we, as a nation, should be concerned with?

Btw, I'm still not "for" fracking. I simply don't believe it's safe.


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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 11:24:58 AM   
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Light rail for what? Move them the fuck out of Texas? To where? Nobody else wants Texans unless you are giving them all back to Mexico.



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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 11:28:27 AM   
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Texas has 44 desalination plants, none of which are using seawater. For large amounts of water, infrastructure would need to be built, and we can safely assume that light rail may or may not be in the area of the fracking, so..........


Infrastructure needs to be built for desalination? Yup. And, that is why I mentioned the "infrastructure" project of light rail. Perhaps light rail isn't the infrastructure project we, as a nation, should be concerned with?

Btw, I'm still not "for" fracking. I simply don't believe it's safe.


Light rail won't do diddly for water transport. That's what pipelines are for.
Light rail is best for passengers.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 11:44:57 AM   
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desalination of seawater is way more expensive than the brackish desalination.

Light rail for what? Move them the fuck out of Texas? To where? Nobody else wants Texans unless you are giving them all back to Mexico.



Or unless they're the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 1:28:32 PM   
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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 1:31:46 PM   
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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 1:39:56 PM   
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Gee, I wonder how many people in here who are "against" fracking are "for" "Global Warming" (or whatever they're calling it this week.) and,....."political correctness?"

Actually, fracking helps the fight against climate change as natural gas produces less CO2/kilowatt produced in a power plant and is cheaper to boot.

When you hear politicians from coal country whining about "these damn environmentalists putting me out of business because the power plants won't buy my product" they're either frightfully ignorant themselves or they're just pandering to ignorant assed neocon voters about that mean old EPA.

It's not the EPA that is hurting the coal Industry. It's, ironically, big oil that's hurting them.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 2:56:08 PM   
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not many, I guess. maybe you?

He doesn't know. You'll need to ask Howie Carr. He does all of Pop's thinking for him.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 3:13:45 PM   
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not many, I guess. maybe you?

He doesn't know. You'll need to ask Howie Carr. He does all of Pop's thinking for him.



Gee Stef, you need to come up with some new material, that was "new" in 2009 the first time you used it.


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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 3:32:31 PM   
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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 4:16:03 PM   
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Gee Stef, you need to come up with some new material, that was "new" in 2009 the first time you used it.

If it ever ceases to be the case, I will change it. I doubt there will ever be a need.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 4:28:38 PM   
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Gee, I wonder how many people in here who are "against" fracking are "for" "Global Warming" (or whatever they're calling it this week.) and,....."political correctness?"


Gee, I wonder if you ever have anything relevant to the issue at hand to add to the debate.

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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 4:34:47 PM   
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RE: Texas wells dry from drought & fracking - 8/13/2013 7:49:09 PM   
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Texas has 44 desalination plants, none of which are using seawater. For large amounts of water, infrastructure would need to be built, and we can safely assume that light rail may or may not be in the area of the fracking, so..........


So build the infrastructure. What's wrong with that? We're gonna need it eventually anyway. At least by doing it now to support fracking we can use the oil & gas producers to help pay for it.

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