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Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 6:56:09 PM   
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Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement — that low-level drug offenders with no history of violence and no ties to gangs will no longer face severe, mandatory federal prison sentences — is the first step in returning sanity and integrity to a justice system commandeered nearly 30 years ago by grandstanding, overzealous politicians.

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/#ixzz2boHlTe1E
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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 7:01:22 PM   
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It's about time.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 7:19:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have a high opinion of a dude that signed warrants for spying on Rosen, then publicly lied about it and all that shite.. we will see if anything changes in reality or not.. and for sure, forfeiture seizures (without any charges) will continue in all its glory..

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 7:20:31 PM   
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It's about time.

Long past time,long past

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 8:00:52 PM   
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It was the insane drug laws implemented in the 1970's
that got the ball rolling on our now corrupt prisons for
profit system. It is a cancer on our society. It has decimated
communities as much if not more than drug abuse.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 8:18:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry if I can't work up any enthusiasm for this nothing change. They'll supposedly be altering how they write the charges on new federal drug cases, to bypass the mandatory minimums - not a word about a push to have those stupid laws repealed. It's not a step. It's a press release that only the ignorant would celebrate.

Holder is a race-baiting piece of shit. He's a disgrace to the office he holds, and the nation he serves.



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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 8:36:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're right if the laws themselves aren't repealed
nothing will change. And I'm not very optimistic about
that happening anytime soon because to many people
are profiting from the way things are now. Politically
profiting and financially profiting.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 8:50:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		They aren't about to make a push for repealing the mandatory minimums. It would expose the giant holes is supposedly "partisan" gridlock, as it split the Dems between the genuine liberals, and those who are in the pockets of the prison guard unions, and the Repubs between the libertarians, and those who pander to the fears of the fundies.

We certainly can't have that happening, now can we?

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 9:11:12 PM   
Winterapple


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Status: offline 		Apparently, depressingly we can't because of assholes
on both sides. And the assholes who are profiting seem
to outnumber the brave ones who would try and change
things.



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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 9:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, but Holder lost credibility to me regarding drugs when the DEA started busting growers in Colorado when Obama had told them to lay off prosecuting growers in states where it was legal.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 9:49:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement — that low-level drug offenders with no history of violence and no ties to gangs will no longer face severe, mandatory federal prison sentences — is the first step in returning sanity and integrity to a justice system commandeered nearly 30 years ago by grandstanding, overzealous politicians.

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/#ixzz2boHlTe1E

quote:

Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement — that low-level drug offenders with no history of violence and no ties to gangs will no longer face severe, mandatory federal prison sentences — is the first step in returning sanity and integrity to a justice system commandeered nearly 30 years ago by grandstanding, overzealous politicians.


This has no impact on the racist, failed, unnecessary and unaffordable war on drugs. It is cute you almost seem to pretend you believe it does?

Regardless if we believe drugs should be legal or illegal - they are legal. This law has to do with sentencing criminals. Since they have done drugs and caught more than once there is every indication they will continue to. So, they will legally be allowed to be arrested multiple times. Earning the state more money while saving some as it is expensive to keep people in jail

There is also a lot of problems with his remarks and other recent ones. You seem to have snipped them. But, I doubt you had deceptive intentions.

"that low-level drug offenders with no history of violence and no ties to gangs will no longer face severe, mandatory federal prison sentences

Low-Level - What does that mean? Is their a medium level? A medium low level? A high level? What is the critera>
No History of violence Ever? That is awful vague? Relevant to drugs? Self defense? A bar fight 15 years ago?
No ties to gangs That is extraordinary broad. We've seen the RICO act abused and biker clubs non-1%ers be charged as gangs. What is the definition according to the DOJ - what is the litmus test?

I voted for Obama in 2008 to do something he promised to do since 2006 - end the war on drugs or immediately reign it in. Under Obama the war on drugs has expanded and involved to be larger than it ever has in US history.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 9:54:02 PM   
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Sorry, but Holder lost credibility to me regarding drugs when the DEA started busting growers in Colorado when Obama had told them to lay off prosecuting growers in states where it was legal.



LOL you are cute... The most popularized busts in that area were Feb 2012, so I assume this is what you speak of? So despite Fast & Furious - and all the things prior to that Bust. He had credibility? In your eyes? I can buy you new contacts or something I guess. Because if you saw credibility until then.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 10:19:07 PM   
Esinn


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Status: offline 		If nothing else... Watch the first 30 seconds of this video Obama 2006 War On Drug

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/12/2013 11:14:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Holder, hmmmmmm, where have I heard that name ? Oh yeah, he's the guy Obama told to investigate himself. He was cleared of any wrongdoing, by himself.

Resourceful dood.


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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/13/2013 6:38:08 PM   
cloudboy


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Status: offline 		Wow. A lot of folks are pessimistic. According to the nyt, it's the conservative states pushing this agenda b/c they want to cut their prison costs. Making Holder the issue seems misplaced to me, because his job is to enforce policy. So, it looks like change is afoot, this and the banning of outright racial profiling in NY suggest criminal justice will have to change its emphasis.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/13/2013 11:24:00 PM   
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According to the nyt, it's the conservative states pushing this agenda b/c they want to cut their prison costs.


And you believe that ? Try to understand this, they WANT bigger prison budgets. It justifies alot of government jobs and or those in the private sector awarded by government to their buddies in the private prison industry.

The New York Times is affected benificially by the court decision that ruled that media sources are allowed to lie with complete immunity, someting that is quite peculiar to the US by the way. Even Canada told them to go fuck off and if Canada ain't like the US nobody is.

The NYT is a pack of fucking liars built upon and propogating to maintain the status quo that is sucking the wealth as well as other beneficial things out of this country. They deserve to be burned to the ground but of course that is impossible now.

Since they said it, I believe the opposite.

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ETA : Oh they said politicians said it ? Oh that changes everything LOLOLOOLOOLOLOOLLPOOL

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/14/2013 8:15:35 PM   
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Driven in part by a need to save money, several conservative-leaning states like Texas and Arkansas have experimented with finding ways to incarcerate fewer low-level drug offenders. The answers have included reducing prison terms for them or diverting them into treatment programs, releasing elderly or well-behaved inmates early, and expanding job training and re-entry programs.

The policy is seen as successful across the ideological divide. For example, in Texas, which was an early innovator, taxpayers have saved hundreds of millions of dollars on what had been projected as a need to build prison space. With crime rates remaining at generational lows, the space is no longer necessary.

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RE: Drug War 30 Years In - 8/15/2013 3:22:47 PM   
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Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement — that low-level drug offenders with no history of violence and no ties to gangs will no longer face severe, mandatory federal prison sentences — is the first step in returning sanity and integrity to a justice system commandeered nearly 30 years ago by grandstanding, overzealous politicians.

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/#ixzz2boHlTe1E


After a mere four and a half years, somebody in the Obama administration got something right. There will, of course, be hell to pay.

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