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Virgin? - 8/12/2013 8:41:16 PM   
Browneyedv24


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RE: Virgin? - 8/12/2013 9:14:35 PM   
DarkSteven


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Let me rephrase your question. "What are the reasons a Master would pass on someone as a sub?"

I have lots of reasons. If she doesn't look attractive to me, if she's not that smart, if her personality doesn't mesh with mine..." lots.

If she's a virgin, then I know I'll be special to her for all of her life even if we don't stay together. The drawback is that it'll take longer to teach her about sex. Fair tradeoff, and as I say, it's not a major criterion.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 1:30:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Browneyedv24

Would a master take on a complete virgin (vanilla sex and oral included) as a sub?

Never. It's a violation of rule 62 in The Rules of Mastery compendium.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 2:55:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would think it would be an excellent opportunity to train someone from scratch without having to contend with any past experiences, good or bad. That's my two cents, however I am certain that more knowledgeable folks will chime in.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 7:21:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Carefully. I wouldn't want to make someone's first time their 'worst time'. I've only deflowered one young lady (wasn't that a nice way to put it?), and to be honest, it was kind of nerve-racking. No, I did not make it a 'scene', for the reason listed above. I did my best to make the event as pleasurable as possible, because forever more, when she talks about it, I will be who she is talking about and I prefer to be spoken of in a positive light.

As for introducing scene elements, that ultimately depends on their headspace. If one found themselves in such a situation, I would caution on taking baby steps, same as anyone unfamiliar with the lifestyle. Don't overwhelm them with lingo, rules, and lists. There will be parameters that no one in this thread can give advice on that are wholly dependent on you, the other person, and the dynamic that leads you to the bedroom.

All I can add is to listen critically, offer respect and support, and if you must require them to learn outside of your shared experience, don't make it "homework". If you want them to read something out of a book or off a website, do it with them so they get instant feedback when they have a question. Allow them to determine the course they wish to follow. Make it fun and enjoyable, rather than something to be endured for your pleasure.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 12:55:30 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		oohh...there are TONS of "Doms" who are interested in such a thing but they are not men I would call Doms.

They want someone who knows nothing at all about much of anything at all, including sex so the virgin will never know that he's doing something wrong.

Personally I'd be extremely careful unless you really don't care how you lose your virginity or you just want some casual playing.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 2:03:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding the OP.
Probably not and the reason isn't what you think it might be.
I have been a woman's first a few times and it's a nerve wracking experience for me.
Constantly thinking "don't hurt her, is she ok, was that a good moan or a bad one, her leg twitched, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy now, dammit slow down is this something she likes?, hell, she doesn't even know what she likes yet how an I supposed to know........................................."

The main reason though is I would assume that this virgin would be 30-35 years younger than me.

I really don't have much of anything in common with anyone that young so a relationship would be unlikely to succeed.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 8/13/2013 2:04:18 PM >

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RE: Virgin? - 8/13/2013 3:27:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Why not?



This was the initial response that came to my mind (verbatim lol), but Hillwilliam's post was eye-opening.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 4:18:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Browneyedv24

Would a master take on a complete virgin (vanilla sex and oral included) as a sub?


If she was willing to become life-time slave, then it is relatively insignificant for me if she is a virgin, I have my own sexual training program as a slave must learn

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 2:19:35 PM   
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egarding the OP.
Probably not and the reason isn't what you think it might be.
I have been a woman's first a few times and it's a nerve wracking experience for me.
Constantly thinking "don't hurt her, is she ok, was that a good moan or a bad one, her leg twitched, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy now, dammit slow down is this something she likes?, hell, she doesn't even know what she likes yet how an I supposed to know........................................."

The main reason though is I would assume that this virgin would be 30-35 years younger than me.

I really don't have much of anything in common with anyone that young so a relationship would be unlikely to succeed.


Oh fuck no. It's so much better when you try to blow their mind, peel their skull back, over time break them in sexually in ways that would leave the Vicomte Valmont blanching and take her to sexual crescendos that ruin her for every man to come (hehehehe) especially those virile young buck one pump chumps.
Hell to the yes. Now that's a wonderfully epic piece of simply wanton cruelty.
Take her, fuck her for hours, use fingers, tongue, skin, toys, patience, nuance, wit, wisdom and wile, every ounce of all those years of experience to take her to heights of ecstacy that would leave a jaded woman in her thirties weak kneed and moving with the slo-mo, "What train just hit me,"post amazing sex sensation.
Rinse. Repeat.Ad infinitum.
Then watch her spend the rest of her days trying to recapture the experience.
Train a virgin?
God damn right I would.
Where do I sign up?

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 3:16:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not? granted...ages may be an issue. I don't know if someone who is a 45 y.o. Virgin would be the same as a 22 y.o... There is a certain age where someone would start to wonder WHY? The person who is 45 & never had sex...I know I would worry that either they had a hang up about sex outside marriage or they were never attracted to the opposite sex & felt guilty, or they had a mental or spiritual problem with the sex act itself...

A 22 yr old...could have all the same reasons as above but it is more likely that they never met anyone or did not feel ready before...

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 3:58:39 PM   
Sheela22


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Status: offline 		I thought most people lose their virginity in highschool. If that's the case, isn't it illegal to have an under age slave? Honestly being a virgin at 22 is a little odd to me..

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 5:32:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its not that uncommon, Sheela. ^^

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 8:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've actually been told by a few of my past partners that they prefer a woman with experience. They don't want to have to teach everything and hand hold through each experience.

From my perspective, how can you know you are going to enjoy kinky sex if you haven't any experience at all? Ther are many things I've tried that sounded much hotter than they turned out to be.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 8:48:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: artemiss

I've actually been told by a few of my past partners that they prefer a woman with experience. They don't want to have to teach everything and hand hold through each experience.

From my perspective, how can you know you are going to enjoy kinky sex if you haven't any experience at all? Ther are many things I've tried that sounded much hotter than they turned out to be.

Bingo they don't know what they like. They don't know what they want.
You will hear "you want me to do what?????!!!!" every time you turn around.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 8:56:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		but then you also have many who will do anything at all because it's their first time with someone and just assume that's how it's supposed to be and what they are supposed to do because they have never been with anyone else and the Dom knows it and takes full advantage of that fact.


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RE: Virgin? - 8/14/2013 11:00:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: artemiss

I've actually been told by a few of my past partners that they prefer a woman with experience. They don't want to have to teach everything and hand hold through each experience.

From my perspective, how can you know you are going to enjoy kinky sex if you haven't any experience at all? There are many things I've tried that sounded much hotter than they turned out to be.

Bingo they don't know what they like. They don't know what they want.
You will hear "you want me to do what?????!!!!" every time you turn around.


I was a virgin with my first Dom. I couldn't tell him exactly what I liked, wanted or was into but I had a pretty good idea of what sort of things turned me on. It wasn't as if I'd never thought about sex or masturbated before I met him. I was fairly certain I was hard-wired to be submissive long before I even met him so when it came to kink and sex, we started with mutual interests and went from there.

Sure, there were a few "you want me to do what?" moments but that was part of the fun. I still enjoy discovering new things, new sensations and yeah, sometimes I still have the wide-eyed "you want me to do what?" reaction when someone suggests something I've never done before.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/16/2013 1:34:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about some one who's only has sex once but uses toys?....They sort of know what they like yet there still tight and are open to try things.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/16/2013 2:31:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bbbecky

What about some one who's only has sex once but uses toys?....They sort of know what they like yet there still tight and are open to try things.


The same answers are going to apply - some will like it, some won't, others won't care either way.

By the way, the idea that women get less tight the more sex they have is myth, so you needn't worry about ruining your vagina by having sex. Vaginal tightness is determined by degree of arousal, genetics, age, and the strength of your muscles. Women have babies and bounce back to almost the same state very quickly - some even tighter if they work on the pelvic floor. The vagina is more than capable of handling penises without damage.

I imagine part of the misconception might be because your first time (or first few times) you're more likely to be tense and not properly warmed up, so might feel tighter. That, and it's an indication of outdated ideas of women's sexuality that imply she's somehow not as valuable or good if she's had multiple partners.

Sorry for the derail.

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RE: Virgin? - 8/16/2013 4:57:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		No derail! :) Learning is the best for way to grow!....My first time was actually the opposite. They guy was really small.

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