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dcnovice -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 7:54:30 AM)
FR At one of my jobs, a decade or so ago, we used to joke about how our managers were adept at solving problems that didn't exist. That always comes to mind whenever I read about the latest effort--which generally seems to come from the GOP--to "solve" the problem of "voter fraud." Has anyone documented how widespread this "problem" actually is?

tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 7:56:02 AM)
Its not wide spread at all... even PA admitted they never even looked into it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:00:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Not necessarily.... a social security card... other forms are accepted in place of an "official ID". What other forms are accepted in place of an "official ID?" A VISA? Yup. But, to get a VISA, wouldn't a Citizen need to prove Citizenship? I'm thinking that's the case. A SSN card isn't required for your W-2, either. A valid birth cert. will suffice, too. I think you need 2 forms if you use your DL as one, but only one if you use your VISA. quote: The problem is that we still have many who were never issued a birth certificate. Now, to gain one, it can take months of work, multiple trips, lots of money just to get the information to file for a free ID card. I would prefer to see a grandfathering in of those individuals. People our age and younger have no excuse for no ID. But the sticking point is the older generation. Pull them out of the debate and the arguments become reduced greatly. We agree on this.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:04:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: Why do they also reject college ID's? Perhaps because they are not Gov't. issued? Requiring them to be Gov't. issued at least maintains a hint of legitimacy. Public colleges and universities don't issue government issued ID's? Who do you think runs those places? What if they aren't public colleges and universities? Plus, students do work in those offices. Don't you need proof of citizenship or proof of legal "presence" to attend a college or university? quote: quote: quote: Why make the only state issued ID available only at DL facilities? No state that has implemented one of these new restrictive voter ID laws has made any allowance for disabled or elderly citizens who cannot be accommodated at a DL facility. Disabled people can't go to a DL facility? Isn't that counter to ADA requirements? Perhaps that's the real issue regarding the disabled. How are the non-disabled elderly unable to navigate a DL facility? Some people cannot stand up for hours, some are blind, some need to be on a ventilator etc. In short there are many health issues that would preclude having a DL that does not remove a person's right to vote. Boy, if only there were a mobile/remote way to reach these people... [8\|] Edited to add: Don't take that as my dismissing their right to vote. Do take it as dismissing your reliance on those few as a reason to not require proof of qualification for the right to vote.

DLZandD -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:07:10 AM)
Why is it that lefties always cast voter id as a republican effort to restrict voting. Yes there is voter fraud - a woman just went to jail for voting 6 times in the last presidential election and EVERYONE can get a picture id with no problem. We continually denigrate other countries for vote fraud and yet we cannot even get our own house in order. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones!

tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:12:32 AM)
And she was busted, wasnt she. In fact, its a rare occurance. A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter ID laws, was virtually non-existent. The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters. Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120817voter-fraud-rare-united-states.html#ixzz2brWQT9Dx She was wrong, she was convicted. But if you believe its a wide spread problem, please provide documentation.

dcnovice -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:16:32 AM)
quote: Why is it that lefties always cast voter id as a republican effort to restrict voting. All the "voter fraud prevention" efforts I've read about lately have been undertaken by Republicans. quote: Yes there is voter fraud - a woman just went to jail for voting 6 times in the last presidential election Got a source other than your anecdotal six-times voter? I wonder if she's related to Ronald Reagan's welfare queen with the Cadillac. quote: EVERYONE can get a picture id with no problem. I'd love a source for that too. Last time I got a government-issued ID, it took several hours of waiting. I was lucky that the DMV wasn't too far from home. I'm not sure that's the case for "EVERYONE."

DaddySatyr -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:32:58 AM)
Felons Voted Betrayal of public trust 300 votes While the first two may seem kind of "small potatoes", the 300 votes in the last one *could have* affected the election.

Arturas -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:47:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether North Carolina is set to be the state with the most restrictive Voting ID laws on the book. More strict than buying a gun in Chicago! The Governor signed into law a bill that basically reduces/removes voting liberties from its citizens all due to the boogie man known as 'Voter Fraud'. Of course, if any 'intelligent' and 'wise' conservatives in that state actually looked up the concept, they would find Republicans are as usual....LYING....to push tyranny down other people's throats. Glad I don't live in that bigoted, ignorant, and lame state! An of course, this law will cost the taxpayers of NC quite a bundle of money in court costs before being torn down. A most prudent action. It is there to prevent the left from seizing power using one voter, multiple votes, pure and simple. Along with one voter, multiple votes and taxing the working and wealthy classes to buy votes from those who live in the growing welfare state, more of the left will take control and perpetuate this process and drive America further into debt, push more jobs into the hands of illegal and underpaid aliens, make more cuts to the military to pay for the welfare state a little longer until the next election, and also then abandon our embassies to our enemies, much like it happened with the Roman republic. Soon we will be a the point, one we are very close now, to the point Rome was when the Republic fell for the same reasons and we soon experience the collapse and fall of our Republic; History will repeat itself with both ancient Rome and contemporary America destroyed from within. Well done, Citizen. Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country will do for you and then vote for the left.

tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:50:44 AM)
The 300 were mostly absentee ballots... an ID wont prevent that.

Arturas -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:57:53 AM)
Actually. I am at the point where knowing history is repeating itself I can now focus on what needs to be personally done to insulate ourselves from the fall. History teaches it was very dangerous to live in the cities during the erupted chaos as the Republic fell, especially in the city of Rome itself during the fall. We are out now. So, litigate away all you good citizens, yes, repeal the voter id laws! Give the votes to the illegals, give the jobs to them also, and move to the cities where the Starbucks are plentiful.

tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 8:59:17 AM)
quote: We are out now. So, litigate away all you good citizens, yes, repeal the voter id laws! Give the votes to the illegals, give the jobs to them also, and move to the cities where the Starbucks are plentiful. No one wants illegals to vote. But we are now penalizing the elderly in order to prevent the very rare occurrences of fraud. Why should they have to suffer? On that note... the occurrences posted about on this thread were not illegals, were they?

Arturas -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:05:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The 300 were mostly absentee ballots... an ID wont prevent that. Well done,citizen! Spin! Spin! Spin! We are in the country and safe so I say let everyone vote with their good name, each name they want to use. I say, close the embassies and let our Leader go on vacation again, I say weaken the schools more and borrow more from China to pay for welfare, I say hire illegals just as Rome did! Well done, citizen.

dcnovice -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:06:37 AM)
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tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:09:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The 300 were mostly absentee ballots... an ID wont prevent that. Well done,citizen! Spin! Spin! Spin! We are in the country and safe so I say let everyone vote with their good name, each name they want to use. I say, close the embassies and let our Leader go on vacation again, I say weaken the schools more and borrow more from China to pay for welfare, I say hire illegals just as Rome did! Well done, citizen. I am serious.... voter laws, as they currently stand, do not prevent fraud by absentee ballot... nor are they even being considered... why is that?

Arturas -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:13:15 AM)
quote: No one wants illegals to vote. But we are now penalizing the elderly in order to prevent the very rare occurrences of fraud. Why should they have to suffer? My grandmother has a photo I.D. Well done, citizen! It was for the elderly, who somehow cannot get a photo id but can get a cell phone and pay their bills. It is for the "poor", the "children" and now the "elderly", those old people who cannot ask for a photo id, that we destroy Rome again! Well done citizens. I am in the country so I say well done, citizen, move to the city where the starbucks are and wait there to reap what you sow! Vote early and vote twice because you know better than the Republic and will teach it what it should be to all, before the fall.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:26:44 AM)
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VideoAdminChi -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:49:27 AM)
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tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 9:51:15 AM)
There are people who dont even have birth certificates. What bearing does your grandmother have on them?

Arturas -> RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote (8/13/2013 10:33:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl There are people who dont even have birth certificates. What bearing does your grandmother have on them? So you are saying they need a birth certificate first. Yes. I agree. That would be the responsible thing to do.

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