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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 1:41:51 AM   
Enobario


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Status: offline 		The simple answer is that there is no chance of getting any sexual satisfaction out of it.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 5:58:07 AM   
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I'm a straight Dom. I want a straight or bi woman.

If i started up anything with a male, even if nonsexual, it would affect my primary relationship.


Why would a male, serving in a nonsexual capacity, affect that more than a female?


They won't.

But we'd accept a female for all reasons well before we'd take in a male for nonsexual ones. Similar amount of effort on our parts, but we'd get less from it.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 6:38:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
But we'd accept a female for all reasons well before we'd take in a male for nonsexual ones. Similar amount of effort on our parts, but we'd get less from it.

So then I infer that the word "serving" in your mind doesn't mean "mow my lawn". I have to admit I wonder what it DOES mean in the OP's mind.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 6:53:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even if it's non-sexual, and only a maid or cleaner type of relationship, I still only want females service/serving me. Why?
Because personally... I would see a man that would grovel and scrape to me as weak and I find weakness a distasteful quality to observe in another 'man'...

There probably would be some straight males out there who would like having another man serve them as sort of a power thing, or even those who don't have any gender preference in regards to who submits to them... I'm not one... And it's not a prejudice against male submissives... Although there are quite a lot that are well deserving of prejudice.

Another reason I don't particularly like the idea of a man serving/submitting to me is that I don't like the idea of me featuring any way shape or form in another man's sexual gratification, or the fulfilment of whatever submissive/humiliation/degradation(/homo-erotic?) desires he may have.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 6:57:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
But we'd accept a female for all reasons well before we'd take in a male for nonsexual ones. Similar amount of effort on our parts, but we'd get less from it.

So then I infer that the word "serving" in your mind doesn't mean "mow my lawn". I have to admit I wonder what it DOES mean in the OP's mind.

My example of service.

Way back when, a few of the swingers/kinksters were couples wherein the male was a well to do older gentleman with his 30 something trophy wife.
Said older gentleman was in some cases impotent because he had put too much cocaine up his nose over the years among other things.
Some of these guys were subs and were more than happy to serve drinks, carry trays of appetizers, man the cloak room and empty ashtrays in the play space like a good domestic while some young, well built bull fucked the hell out of his pretty wifey.
He would then bring a towel, plate of food and whatever drinks the younger male required.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 7:14:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
But we'd accept a female for all reasons well before we'd take in a male for nonsexual ones. Similar amount of effort on our parts, but we'd get less from it.

So then I infer that the word "serving" in your mind doesn't mean "mow my lawn". I have to admit I wonder what it DOES mean in the OP's mind.


To me, it means someone that comes over, goes places with us, etc. Someone coming over for a specified chore and then leaving without more interaction - that doesn't fit my concepts.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 7:39:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
Even if it's non-sexual, and only a maid or cleaner type of relationship, I still only want females service/serving me. Why?
Because personally... I would see a man that would grovel and scrape to me as weak and I find weakness a distasteful quality to observe in another 'man'...

Well, I don't share your gender biases but I do share your dislike of groveling and scraping. I don't really see a problem there though. "Go mow my lawn without groveling, scraping, or obsequious behavior." Problem solved. For me this wouldn't be a "power" thing. LOL, I can't imagine grasping for power the way many seem to. I got some I'd like to give away right now -- as is usually true.

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Hill said:
Some of these guys were subs and were more than happy to serve drinks, carry trays of appetizers, man the cloak room and empty ashtrays in the play space like a good domestic

See, this sounds like what I'm thinking. I go to restaurants and clubs and males do this stuff for me and it doesn't offend my sensibilities in the least. I can't see why I would feel differently if it was "mow my lawn" or "wash my dishes" other than the trust issue of having someone in my house. But for us guys that's easier than for women.

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To me, it means someone that comes over, goes places with us, etc. Someone coming over for a specified chore and then leaving without more interaction - that doesn't fit my concepts.

*nod* You are connecting the service to a larger relationship tapestry. I'm always curious though whether this is true for the server's mind. I have no problem using people as an extension of my will. I do it all the time with random strangers much less Carol. If that was the button that needed to be pushed then it's easy enough for me to do it and it sounds like a win-win scenario. I'm just not clear on whether the need is actually more expansive and that word "service" is misleading.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 8:53:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master has said, just as I have said, numerous times, we'd be just fine with a male sub coming over and offering his services to clean and cook and repair and all that other stuff that we don't want to do. But the moment we tell them they would have to stay dressed, no groveling, no expecting us to follow them and "punish" them, they just disappear off the planet. And most of the time it's the whole having to stay dressed like a normal person that seems to get them all hackled and upset.

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RE: Why? - 8/14/2013 9:18:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Master has said, just as I have said, numerous times, we'd be just fine with a male sub coming over and offering his services to clean and cook and repair and all that other stuff that we don't want to do. But the moment we tell them they would have to stay dressed, no groveling, no expecting us to follow them and "punish" them, they just disappear off the planet. And most of the time it's the whole having to stay dressed like a normal person that seems to get them all hackled and upset.


winks at littlewonder.
People can crow all day about "no strings attached", but often there are just a few little strings attached or/expectations.


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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 11:49:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Probably because what you consider service is something sexual although not penetrative sex. Boot licking, queening etc are things you're offering to do because they excite you.

You don't offer lawn mowing, oil changes and actual non sexual things that would benefit the other person. All you offer are things that turn you on.

There's not a dominant woman out there who could offer boot licking and not get a hundred guys happily lining up to do it. But what does she get out of it except knowing you got off on her boots? Nothing.

What are you offering that is about her instead of being about you? Nothing.

You don't offer a friendship.
You don't offer real service activities like housecleaning or lawn mowing.
You don't offer a relationship.
You don't even offer her a chance to have good sex.

So why would anyone be so desperate for human interaction as to get involved with someone as self centered as you? They aren't.

Oh and domme refers to women. Dom refers to men.
The Man might accept a male service sub if he has good mechanical abilities but it won't involve anything for you to wank to. It won't involve sadism or bondage.

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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 12:00:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

. It won't involve sadism or bondage.

Speak for yourself. Flogging the hell out a male is fun.

Hurting people isn't necessarily sexual.

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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 12:19:21 PM   
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Speak for yourself. Flogging the hell out a male is fun.

Hurting people isn't necessarily sexual.

I'm the very same way on the other side of the gender fence.



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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 12:47:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
But the moment we tell them they would have to stay dressed, no groveling, no expecting us to follow them and "punish" them, they just disappear off the planet. And most of the time it's the whole having to stay dressed like a normal person that seems to get them all hackled and upset.


Honestly, this has been my experience as well.

I did have one guy volunteer to install my living room floor while Master and I have sex in the bedroom. But, in reality if I'm having $1500 worth of hardwood put into my living room, I want to make sure he's qualified, won't fuck it up and I can supervise.


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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 1:00:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
But the moment we tell them they would have to stay dressed, no groveling, no expecting us to follow them and "punish" them, they just disappear off the planet. And most of the time it's the whole having to stay dressed like a normal person that seems to get them all hackled and upset.


Honestly, this has been my experience as well.

I did have one guy volunteer to install my living room floor while Master and I have sex in the bedroom. But, in reality if I'm having $1500 worth of hardwood put into my living room, I want to make sure he's qualified, won't fuck it up and I can supervise.


So have your Master lie back on the couch and you could climb on top cowgirl style and supervise.

--The ever helpful Hillie.

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RE: Why? - 8/15/2013 6:26:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did say The Man wouldn't be interested in playing with him.

But read the op's profile and you'll see why he isn't getting any takers. Because his idea of service doesn't involve actually serving.

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RE: Why? - 8/16/2013 1:48:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was an advert on IC years ago from a Lady in Birmingham who had a factory and she used to advertise that she would chain you to a machine over the weekend, where you'd have to work for her. I can't remember exactly what it was being made at the factory, I think it was wooden garden furniture. I think sucessful candidates would then be periodically tormented by her during the weekend but it was stipulated that no one would be there much (not a constant presence by her)

I have no idea if she had many takers but the ad was around for quite a while. Does anyone else remember seeing it ?

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RE: Why? - 8/16/2013 8:06:44 AM   
ARIES83


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Status: offline 		I duno, I just have this type of thing popping into my head as what the op was after with this topic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55mObwYVPY

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RE: Why? - 8/16/2013 2:44:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

When I was growing up 40 years ago, the crowd I was in told me that if a Master could not accept service from either sex, they weren't truly a part of leather. They were a actually a swinger looking for leather sex. That stereotype was called "swingers with whips".

I'll let you guys chew on the validity of that one.

1-The old school leathers I knew used to say that a slave is neither male or female, they are just a slave.

Interesting concept there.

But, to the OP, hell yeah son, come on by. I won't let ya in the house unsupervised but fuck, my crass needs cutting. I can keep ya busy for months. Hell, maybe even go all fin-dom (note the lack of me), have you pay for the materials :-)

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RE: Why? - 8/16/2013 2:50:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: martin1960

I am a male sub who is straight, but willing to serve a Dom in a non sexual way. Why does this not seem to attract Doms?


Cause they usually like to fuck! You are looking for some rather unique... Your fishing in a small pond trying to catch a very specific fish.... It will take some time

Edited to add... I have 1000 feet of fencing to build. A acrea of land to level, de-rock, spread black dirty seed, hardwood flooring to lay, a basement to wire up, bathroom to finished and basement...... Not to forget feed the horses, dogs cats, supper to make garbage to take out.... That's just to start... So when u done at Kana's pop over... Shouldn't take u long.

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