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Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 1:07:37 PM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		The dumping of links has irritatingly grown exponentially in the last little while.  On another board I used to frequent this was never allowed, not even in the current events section of their site.

The stipulation was that if you were going to post a link you were not to cut and paste any portion of the article except for the first couple of lines to conform with copyrights and you HAD to post your own commentary, your own thoughts, your own position, why you were posting the link.  Obviously this was condusive to initiating a good conversation and avoided turning the forum into a dump.

I agree with their position.  What is yours?  Should management be encouraged to incorporate this policy into the forum guidelines?

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 1:12:34 PM   
JohnWarren


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Status: offline 		I'm not comfortable with people posting the works of others.  I'd much prefer a link so I can read the material completely and get an idea of the context in which it was posted.

If I'm not interested, I can simply skip it.

Posting notestream links in answer to questions is a good way to let others know what has gone before.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 1:28:03 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		I see no good reason to make a policy that specifically limits quotes to the first 2 lines of something...if the point someone is making is illustrated by a sentence in the middle, or the end, cut and paste that, along with the link, and some useful thoughts (as in something other than 'Discuss', or 'Comments?', or 'Interesting article').

Overall, I agree that it seems a waste of time to click on an interesting thread title, and find nothing but a link, or worse, nothing but a non-functioning, or registration required, link.




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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 2:19:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

The dumping of links has irritatingly grown exponentially in the last little while. 

As people do with any post they don't want to read, just ignore them if they're not to your liking.   There is no compelling reason to change our guidelines on this matter at the present time.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 2:20:39 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		in my surfing- i ran into alot of bad links.

one group i belong to the cut paste is fine -as long as the link is with it.

the nature of the net is fluid. sites and thier dazzle come and go.

IMO the next holy grail of teh net is unfolding that being sending large files- music or video.

I have sent out 5 hours of video ...quickly.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 2:24:45 PM   
pahunkboy


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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 6:06:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

The dumping of links has irritatingly grown exponentially in the last little while.  On another board I used to frequent this was never allowed, not even in the current events section of their site.

The stipulation was that if you were going to post a link you were not to cut and paste any portion of the article except for the first couple of lines to conform with copyrights and you HAD to post your own commentary, your own thoughts, your own position, why you were posting the link.  Obviously this was condusive to initiating a good conversation and avoided turning the forum into a dump.

I agree with their position.  What is yours?  Should management be encouraged to incorporate this policy into the forum guidelines?


Hmmm.....I guess I don't understand all the recent hub bub over the links? And more rules? I thought you were a conservative?


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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 10:38:42 PM   
SirKenin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

The dumping of links has irritatingly grown exponentially in the last little while.  On another board I used to frequent this was never allowed, not even in the current events section of their site.

The stipulation was that if you were going to post a link you were not to cut and paste any portion of the article except for the first couple of lines to conform with copyrights and you HAD to post your own commentary, your own thoughts, your own position, why you were posting the link.  Obviously this was condusive to initiating a good conversation and avoided turning the forum into a dump.

I agree with their position.  What is yours?  Should management be encouraged to incorporate this policy into the forum guidelines?


Hmmm.....I guess I don't understand all the recent hub bub over the links? And more rules? I thought you were a conservative?


- R



lol.  Not Me. I am a centrist.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 11:26:00 PM   
OedipusRexIt


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Status: offline 		I'd like to support the OP (hurray, Sir K, for stating a needed truth) and respectfully disagree with the moderator's post.

The dumping of links interferes with the flow of the discussion.  While it is indeed true that one does not have to read it, some do, and respond in a way that often renders the thread useless from that point forward.  It adds nothing to the discussion, and detracts much.  Even if it might not do so, I don't think a facile dismissal of the concept is warranted.

It seems it would not be a vast inconvenience to have a policy of placing all links in one area, as is done with other special interests.  Enforcing a no-link policy in the same kind, gentle and never arbitrary way other policies are presently enforced seems not only practical, but desireable.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/29/2006 11:32:01 PM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		lol this is a forum not a school term paper!!!! quoting and links are no big deal why sweat it

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 6:00:46 AM   
wandersalone


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Status: offline 		I have no problem with people including links  with or without additional comments by them.  If the topic is one that interests me I may click the link, if not I skip over it and go to the next post  I have found some great websites through using the links others have posted, ones that I probably wouldn't have had the patience to search for myself.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 6:30:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

I'd like to support the OP (hurray, Sir K, for stating a needed truth) and respectfully disagree with the moderator's post.

The dumping of links interferes with the flow of the discussion.  While it is indeed true that one does not have to read it, some do, and respond in a way that often renders the thread useless from that point forward.  It adds nothing to the discussion, and detracts much.

The same could be said for the endless banter and snarky comments that get injected into threads on a daily basis.  Where would you have us draw the line?

quote:

Even if it might not do so, I don't think a facile dismissal of the concept is warranted.

There was no facile dismissal, you're just not privy to the discussions between the site admins.  As I said, there is no compelling reason to change our policy on this matter at the present time.  Should such reasons arise, we'll be happy to reevaluate the matter when that occurs.  "I don't like it" or "they didn't allow it on another website I used to frequent" aren't quite enough to compel us to reconsider the current policy.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 9:30:02 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		I think that people might be misunderstanding where I was coming from with the OP so please allow Me to clarify just a little bit.

When I was referring to link dumping I only meant starting off a thread by dumping a link and expecting everyone to discuss it.  Links in response to other posts in threads were not even on My mind to be honest.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 11:30:23 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I strongly object to all the recent objections to links.

I won't be surprised if someone strongly objects to this very objection.

Can't we all just get along?

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 11:35:19 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		I am certainly not going to raise the stakes here and object to these objectionable things.  But I object to getting along.  Too boring.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 12:05:53 PM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		They don't bother me terribly.  Some of the links have been interesting.  What I would like to see, though, is an intelligent opinion or at least a short summary of the article to accompany the link.  When it's just a link and nothing else, how do I know if I'm interested in reading it?  Oftentimes the original poster of such links would do themselves a favor by including some sort of dissertation to get people interested.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 2:30:56 PM   
Guest
 Why of course, Ron, objecting to the objectionable is the object of the game.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 3:08:37 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Ja, ask the MOD plus or minus one degree of separation from you, one of them has instructed me several times in the common usage of that very thing and how it might causally be associated with guidelines and TOS.........

But since I still hear about it, I must not have it down pat as of yet.........

But all you MODS and ADMINS and other such have a glorious weekend........

Have I told you guys you are doing a good job today?


Well I am now!!!

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 10:27:09 PM   
OedipusRexIt


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

I'd like to support the OP (hurray, Sir K, for stating a needed truth) and respectfully disagree with the moderator's post.

The dumping of links interferes with the flow of the discussion.  While it is indeed true that one does not have to read it, some do, and respond in a way that often renders the thread useless from that point forward.  It adds nothing to the discussion, and detracts much.

The same could be said for the endless banter and snarky comments that get injected into threads on a daily basis.  Where would you have us draw the line?

quote:

Even if it might not do so, I don't think a facile dismissal of the concept is warranted.

There was no facile dismissal, you're just not privy to the discussions between the site admins.  As I said, there is no compelling reason to change our policy on this matter at the present time.  Should such reasons arise, we'll be happy to reevaluate the matter when that occurs.  "I don't like it" or "they didn't allow it on another website I used to frequent" aren't quite enough to compel us to reconsider the current policy.

XI


I think I was being quite clear where the line should be drawn, and the comparison you make is weak, at best.  Links are links, an objecitvely verifiable thing, unlike a subjective opinion of what constitutes facile, or snarky for that matter.

I'm not the least bit interested in the private discussions of moderators and can't imagine why that's relevant, especially since it does nothing to enhance or support your pronouncements.  I am also not the least bit suprised at how you treated a useful suggestion. 

Thanks for not disappointing.

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RE: Should we be allowed to just dump links? - 6/30/2006 10:37:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just in general, I believe in dumping anything everywhere. Threads and cigarette butts included.

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