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FatDomDaddy -> I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 6:27:24 AM)

I wish Cruz would finally face up to this. He is a natural born citizen of the Canada, not the United States. And for the Record, I didn't believe John McCain could have been President either and had he been elected, the country would have gone through a Constitutional Crisis and I believe the Supreme Court would have ruled against him

The faster Cruz puts this to rest the better.

Canada-born Ted Cruz became a citizen of that country as well as U.S.




tj444 -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 6:50:27 AM)

That is not what your article states and not what legal beagles state either..

"The U.S. Constitution allows only a “natural born” American citizen to serve as president. Most legal scholars who have studied the question agree that includes an American born overseas to an American parent, such as Cruz.
The Constitution says nothing about would-be presidents born with dual citizenship
."


His mother fully intended him to be a US citizen..

"She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England."




Lucylastic -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:11:14 AM)

given the bullshit surrounding Obamas actual place of birth, even now five years later, be it hawaii, or kenya, even tho his mother was american, the silence is astounding.
FDD...allo :)




FatDomDaddy -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:17:08 AM)

I tell ya...sometime the gotcha folks on this site are too much.

The linked article is just the latest in the line of Cruz being foreign born. As such, he is ineligible to be POTUS.

Scholars are not The Supreme Court of the United States and should it ever have to rule, and it increasingly looks as if it may, I have little doubt a natural born citizen will be defined as person who was BORN within the continuous United "States" of America. Not it's protectorates, not it's territories (Unless said territory became a State prior to that person's election), not on the grounds of its Embassies or Consulates. I would imagine, for purposes of legibility a person born upon a United States Ship of War would qualify. You can go back to the founders on this. It's one of the reasons Alexander Hamilton for example could have never been President even though none of the founders were born in the United States of America. Hamilton was born in the British Virgin Islands and not one of the Thirteen Colonies.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:21:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

given the bullshit surrounding Obamas actual place of birth, even now five years later, be it hawaii, or kenya, even tho his mother was american, the silence is astounding.
FDD...allo :)



People bullshit.

President Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 so its a complete moot point.

Clearly the so called "Birthers", no matter how loud they cry, have had no bearing nor impact (other than PR) on Barak Obama's Presidency.




Lucylastic -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:27:59 AM)

Did set up a whole new whack of crazy tho...




mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:29:25 AM)

Martin Van Buren, James Buchanan, Chester A Arthur, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama.

I think that ship has sailed.




DesideriScuri -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:31:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
I wish Cruz would finally face up to this. He is a natural born citizen of the Canada, not the United States. And for the Record, I didn't believe John McCain could have been President either and had he been elected, the country would have gone through a Constitutional Crisis and I believe the Supreme Court would have ruled against him
The faster Cruz puts this to rest the better.
Canada-born Ted Cruz became a citizen of that country as well as U.S.


I believe the US Code disagrees with you...

the Naturalization Act of 1790:
    quote:

    United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

    United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization; and to repeal the act heretofore passed on that subject” (January 29, 1795).

    For carrying into complete effect the power given by the constitution, to establish an uniform rule of naturalization throughout the United States:

    SEC.1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, may be admitted to become a citizen of the United States, or any of them, on the following conditions, and not otherwise: --

    First. He shall have declared, on oath or affirmation, before the supreme, superior, district, or circuit court of some one of the states, or of the territories northwest or south of the river Ohio, or a circuit or district court of the United States, three years, at least, before his admission, that it was bona fide, his intention to become a citizen of the United States, and to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly, by name, the prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whereof such alien may, at that time, be a citizen or subject.

    Secondly. He shall, at the time of his application to be admitted, declare on oath or affirmation before some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided within the United States, five years at least, and within the state or territory, where such court is at the time held, one year at least; that he will support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name, the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject; which proceedings shall be recorded by the clerk of the court.

    Thirdly. The court admitting such alien shall be satisfied that he has resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States five years; and it shall further appear to their satisfaction, that during that time, he has behaved as a man of a good moral character, attached to the principles of the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same.

    Fourthly. In case the alien applying to be admitted to citizenship shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility, in the kingdom or state from which he came, he shall, in addition to the above requisites, make an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, in the court to which his application shall be made; which renunciation shall be recorded in the said court.

    SEC. 2. Provided always, and be it further enacted, That any alien now residing within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States may be admitted to become a citizen on his declaring, on oath or affirmation, in some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided two years, at least, within and under the jurisdiction of the same, and one year, at least, within the state or territory where such court is at the time held; that he will support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject; and moreover, on its appearing to the satisfaction of the court, that during the said term of two years, he has behaved as a man of good moral character, attached to the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same; and when the alien applying for admission to citizenship, shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his moreover making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, before he shall be entitled to such admission; all of which proceedings, required in this proviso to be performed in the court, shall be recorded by the clerk thereof.

    SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

    SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That the Act intituled, “An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization,” passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed.
[emphasis mine]

So, yes, Ted Cruz is eligible to be POTUS, provided his father has resided in the US (see the underlined section).




Hillwilliam -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 7:44:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I wish Cruz would finally face up to this. He is a natural born citizen of the Canada, not the United States. And for the Record, I didn't believe John McCain could have been President either and had he been elected, the country would have gone through a Constitutional Crisis and I believe the Supreme Court would have ruled against him

The faster Cruz puts this to rest the better.

Canada-born Ted Cruz became a citizen of that country as well as U.S.

It's a good thing George Romney didn't get the nomination in 68 instead of Nixon. He was born in a polygamous Mormon colony in Mexico. No one said squat in 68.




RacerJim -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 8:51:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I wish Cruz would finally face up to this. He is a natural born citizen of the Canada, not the United States. And for the Record, I didn't believe John McCain could have been President either and had he been elected, the country would have gone through a Constitutional Crisis and I believe the Supreme Court would have ruled against him

The faster Cruz puts this to rest the better.

Canada-born Ted Cruz became a citizen of that country as well as U.S.

It's a good thing George Romney didn't get the nomination in 68 instead of Nixon. He was born in a polygamous Mormon colony in Mexico. No one said squat in 68.


(from Wikipedia)
"By February 1967, some newspapers were questioning Romney's eligibility given his Mexican birth. In May 1967, the Democratic chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Emanuel Celler, said he had "serious doubts" about whether Romney was eligible, but had no plans to formally challenge the matter. Another member of Congress made a case against Romney the following month."

Consider your comment refuted.




mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 8:53:21 AM)

Like father, like son. The magic underpants thingie was to much for either of them, let alone their general dipshittery.





Lucylastic -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 8:55:01 AM)

did the mods already clean that up??
Oh good




RacerJim -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:09:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

given the bullshit surrounding Obamas actual place of birth, even now five years later, be it hawaii, or kenya, even tho his mother was american, the silence is astounding.
FDD...allo :)

What's truly astounding has been the absolute, complete, total and utter silence from the hospital, wherever it was, in which Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah, the first black POTUS in history, was born. That's the true bullshit surrounding his actual place of birth. That his mother was American is not enough.




mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:11:35 AM)

It is certainly enough. We haven't heard from any hospital about you either. And are not likely to.




DesideriScuri -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:15:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
It is certainly enough. We haven't heard from any hospital about you either. And are not likely to.


When did commenting on CollarChat require US citizenship? [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:16:58 AM)

What has nazis wanting to terrorize a hospital got to do with citizenship? But as for commenting on collarchat, I have not seen Obama here, so still nothing.




Lucylastic -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:53:37 AM)


Can you imagine if he had been a home delivery?




mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 9:56:21 AM)

I wanna know about the coverup with Bonzo/Dutch/Cowboy/St.Wrinklemeat/Alzheimer Reagan.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 10:08:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Martin Van Buren, James Buchanan, Chester A Arthur, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama.

I think that ship has sailed.



Van Buren was born in Kinderhook, New York (the first man actually born in the United States of America to become the President)

James Buchanan was born in Cove Gap, Pennsylvania

Athur in Fairfield, Vermont

Wilson in Staunton, Virginia

Hoover in West Branch, Iowa

Every man who has ever served as President of the United States was born within or the United States or would become the United States.





mnottertail -> RE: I like Ted Cruz but he can't be President of the United States (8/19/2013 10:27:17 AM)

Van Burens parents were not born in the US, but became citizens.
Hoovers mother was Canadian.
Wilsons mother was English.
Arthurs father did not become a citizen until 14 years after his birth.

consider the rest for yourselves. There are illegal immigrants from mexico who have children born in the united states, and everyone is up in arms about giving them citizenship.........think about it.




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