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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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nope

Care to elaborate and show where the disagreement is?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
nope

Care to elaborate and show where the disagreement is?

ok
to be natural born, "both" parents have to be citizens of a state or a us citizen

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residence requirements in many states are as little as getting a drivers license, a post office box, or rent from someone long enough to get a utility bill.
best (fastest) case a couple days LOL
to be officially a citizen with the full corporate franchise requires a minimum of a sworn oath before a court or other official of intent to become a citizen, or a swearing in to beome a citizen, in addition to residency over a prescribed period of time.
as a side fyi, The 1802 SAL repealed and amended much og the 1790/95 rules.
Its not simply live somewhere for a couple days, long enough to claim residency.
Naturalization Act of April 14, 1802 (2 Statutes-at-Large 153) Provisions:
a. Reduced the residence period for naturalization from fourteen to five years.
b. Established basic requirements for naturalization, including good moral character, allegiance to the Constitution, a formal declaration of intention, and witnesses.
Immigration Legal History
http://www.nps.gov/elis/forteachers/upload/Legislation-1790-1900.pdf
it seems to me mcstain met the criteria, however ohaha does not. have to check the records of the parents of these people. however we live in the age of the rule of judge judy and whatever "feels" politically convenient now days.

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SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

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"His father had resided in the US at some point in time. "

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I tell ya...sometime the gotcha folks on this site are too much.

The linked article is just the latest in the line of Cruz being foreign born. As such, he is ineligible to be POTUS.

Scholars are not The Supreme Court of the United States

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You can go back to the founders on this. It's one of the reasons Alexander Hamilton for example could have never been President

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Here in the Socialist Republic of Maryland an anchor baby is anyone born in the US, even to illegal immigrant parents.

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natural born (citizen) means you were born on US soil to US citizen parents.

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Here in the Socialist Republic of Maryland an anchor baby is anyone born in the US, even to illegal immigrant parents.

whaaaat? NO.
"anchor baby" was originally a term used disparagingly toward them because if they had a baby in the U.S. then they would have a citizen in the family who could sponsor other family members from overseas.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
temporarily abroad is not relevant, its based upon the status of the parents, oath and residency.
read happset case that ron posted, if you have mixed parental status you have mixed allegiance.

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The only standard which then existed [when the Constitution was written],of a natural born citizen, was the rule of common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.

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It does not matter however its like I said we are in a judge judy this is how we feel today tough shit as long as the slaves do not revolt its all good.
Otherwise the standing presumption is that government acts upon precedent set by the court, so dont look at me, you need to provide the case (precedent) to support your opinion. I already gave you the laws that support mine.
the disagreement was not with SAL quote it was with your interpretation of what it said.

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SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

while this:

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"His father had resided in the US at some point in time. "

is true it is not complete and does not show the requirement of 5 years nor does it show that the required oath was taken, nor does it show a sworn intent to become a us citizen, therefore your interpretation is insufficient to meet the actual requirements.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
temporarily abroad is not relevant, its based upon the status of the parents, oath and residency.
read happset case that ron posted, if you have mixed parental status you have mixed allegiance.

Wrong.

Lynch v. Clarke:

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The only standard which then existed [when the Constitution was written],of a natural born citizen, was the rule of common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.

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It does not matter however its like I said we are in a judge judy this is how we feel today tough shit as long as the slaves do not revolt its all good.
Otherwise the standing presumption is that government acts upon precedent set by the court, so dont look at me, you need to provide the case (precedent) to support your opinion. I already gave you the laws that support mine.
the disagreement was not with SAL quote it was with your interpretation of what it said.

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SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

while this:

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"His father had resided in the US at some point in time. "

is true it is not complete and does not show the requirement of 5 years nor does it show that the required oath was taken, nor does it show a sworn intent to become a us citizen, therefore your interpretation is insufficient to meet the actual requirements.

The father had to have resided in the US, but his mother was a US Citizen, so there was no need for the father to have US Citizenship, only that he had to have resided there at some point. This would be the same reasoning had Obama been born in Kenya; his mother was a US Citizen and his father had resided in the US.

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BTW, I say Cruz is eligible but it's gonna be fun to watch the 'Democrat birthers'.

After I typed that it occurred to me you were pulling someone's chain.
Right now if Jeb Bush ran we would see a thread saying he is ineligible because his wife has relatives who are not citizens.
Funny how some left wingers have spent years telling us how silly birthers are now want to be one.

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So you are saying that he resided in the US for more than 5 years with intent to become a US citizen?

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BTW, I say Cruz is eligible but it's gonna be fun to watch the 'Democrat birthers'.

After I typed that it occurred to me you were pulling someone's chain.
Right now if Jeb Bush ran we would see a thread saying he is ineligible because his wife has relatives who are not citizens.
Funny how some left wingers have spent years telling us how silly birthers are now want to be one.

They do? Please provide the empiricals on that, if you would.

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So you are saying that he resided in the US for more than 5 years with intent to become a US citizen?

Obama's Dad didn't have to reside for more than 5 years with intent to become a US citizen. All that shit you just posted were requirements for Papa Obama to be naturalized and gain citizenship. Barack Obama, because his mother was a US Citizen (and his father had resided in the US, so that couldn't have been a barrier), gained US Citizenship at birth, regardless of where that birth happened.

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So you are saying that he resided in the US for more than 5 years with intent to become a US citizen?

Obama's Dad didn't have to reside for more than 5 years with intent to become a US citizen. All that shit you just posted were requirements for Papa Obama to be naturalized and gain citizenship. Barack Obama, because his mother was a US Citizen (and his father had resided in the US, so that couldn't have been a barrier), gained US Citizenship at birth, regardless of where that birth happened.

you are again doing an impasse.
so post a valid citation of the records of his residency

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In 1959, Obama enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa in Honolulu as the university's first African foreign student.[29] He initially lived across the street from the university at the Charles H. Atherton branch of the YMCA at 1810 University Avenue;[29] public records from 1961 indicate he later had a residence two miles southeast of the university at 625 11th Avenue in the Kaimuki neighborhood.[30] In 1960, Obama met Stanley Ann Dunham in a basic Russian language course at the University of Hawaii.[29] Dunham dropped out of the University of Hawaii after the fall 1960 semester after becoming pregnant, while Obama continued his education.[31] Obama married Dunham in Wailuku on the Hawaiian island of Maui on 2 February 1961.[31][32] He eventually told Dunham about his previous marriage in Kenya, but said he was divorced—which she found out years later was a lie.[29]
Obama's son, Barack II, was born in Honolulu on 4 August 1961 at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital—a predecessor of the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children.[29] His birth was announced in The Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, with his parents' address listed as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in the Kuliouou neighborhood of Honolulu, seven miles east of the university—the rented home of Dunham's parents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham.[30] Soon after his birth, Dunham took the younger Obama to Seattle, Washington, where she took classes at the University of Washington from September 1961 to June 1962.[33] Obama continued his education at the University of Hawaii and in 1961–1962 lived one mile east of the university in the St. Louis Heights neighborhood.[34][35] He graduated from the University of Hawaii after three years with a B.A. in economics[36] and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa[37] and left Hawaii in June 1962.[4][29]
Harvard University[edit source | editbeta]
In September 1962, after a tour of mainland U.S. universities, Obama traveled to Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he began a graduate fellowship in economics at Harvard University and rented an apartment in a rooming house near Central Square in Cambridge.[25][38] Meanwhile, Dunham and their son returned to Honolulu in the latter half of 1962, and she resumed her undergraduate education in January 1963 in the spring semester at the University of Hawaii.[33] In January 1964, Dunham filed for divorce in Honolulu; the divorce was not contested by Obama.[31][39] In 1965, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro,[40] a Javanese[41] surveyor whom she had met at the East-West Center.[42]
Obama was forced to leave his Ph.D. program at Harvard University in May 1964 (and received an A.M. in economics from Harvard in 1965).[4][25][32][43][44]

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