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Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 7:48:02 AM   
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A Toronto police officer is being charged with second-degree murder in the death of Sammy Yatim, the teenager who was shot and tasered after he brandished a knife on a public transit vehicle.

The director of the Special Investigations Unit, a provincial agency that probes civilian deaths involving police officers, issued a press release Monday morning to announce the results of the SIU investigation.
“The Director of the Special Investigations Unit (SIU), Ian Scott, has reasonable grounds to believe that a Toronto Police Service (TPS) officer committed a criminal offence in relation to the shooting death of 18-year-old Sammy Adib Yatim in July of 2013,” said the press release.

Mr. Yatim was fired at nine times by police after witnesses reported that he brandished a three-inch knife on the westbound Dundas streetcar near Trinity Bellwoods Park. The incident occurred around midnight on July 27. There was no one else on the streetcar with Mr. Yatim, as all the passengers and the driver had already fled the vehicle unharmed. In a bystander’s video of the incident, an officer can be heard using a taser after Mr. Yatim had fallen wounded from the gunshots on to the streetcar floor.

Constable James Forcillo was the lone subject of the SIU investigation. A warrant has been issued for his arrest.

The officer who deployed the taser was not a subject of the SIU investigation.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ontario-police-watchdog-lays-second-degree-murder-charge-in-sammy-yatim-shooting/article13837354/

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 2:17:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		He shot him 9 times first then used a taser? Even if the guy was a threat, the response seems to lack common sense.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 3:19:53 PM   
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He shot him 9 times first then used a taser? Even if the guy was a threat, the response seems to lack common sense.



I agree. That sounds far fetched.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 3:33:28 PM   
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He shot him 9 times first then used a taser? Even if the guy was a threat, the response seems to lack common sense.

Tasers are so you don't have to shoot.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 3:50:04 PM   
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He shot him 9 times first then used a taser? Even if the guy was a threat, the response seems to lack common sense.

Tasers are so you don't have to shoot.


you don't understand, it was an emergency defibrillation attempt, they will charge the officer for "futile medical care".

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 5:17:52 PM   
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..sounds like cops there are getting increasingly more violent than they should be.. only 2 cops there ever charged but the previous incident was in 2010, this one in 2013.. that's a disturbing trend..

"Murder charges against police officers are extremely rare. Const. Forcillo is believed to be only the second officer charged with murder while on duty in Toronto."

I expect that (shoot first, ask questions later) in the US but I don't expect it in Canada.. 9 shots.. (cringe).. sounds like someone in front of a firing squad (except he didn't get a last cigarette & blindfold).. I expect the other officers shots were not the life-ending shots so they weren't charged as well...

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 5:37:04 PM   
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Many cops charged but have got off...
This guy will blame the lack of training. If it brings about more training and restrictions, and mental health help, it still wont be enough, but that is just my 2 cents


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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 8:10:04 PM   
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I know you mentioned this story on another thread..
..sounds like cops there are getting increasingly more violent than they should be.. only 2 cops there ever charged but the previous incident was in 2010, this one in 2013.. that's a disturbing trend..

"Murder charges against police officers are extremely rare. Const. Forcillo is believed to be only the second officer charged with murder while on duty in Toronto."

I expect that (shoot first, ask questions later) in the US but I don't expect it in Canada.. 9 shots.. (cringe).. sounds like someone in front of a firing squad (except he didn't get a last cigarette & blindfold).. I expect the other officers shots were not the life-ending shots so they weren't charged as well...

It is a very disturbing trend. With 50,000 raids last year in the US, I am thinking this is a small example of Canada's slow march to catch up.

Some of these raids where it concerns some innocents, result in a sort of...domestic collateral damage.

"Oops...sorry we broke in and killed your wife sir, it was a 6 not a 5. Oh, we can get you another dog too."

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/19/2013 8:13:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did not watch the video.. there have been news reports on how the cops here in the US are more militarized, swat teams abound and being sent in for fairly minor reasons.. I wonder if that way of training cops is making its way across the border.. I strongly suspect it is..

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/20/2013 1:02:41 AM   
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I did not watch the video.. there have been news reports on how the cops here in the US are more militarized, swat teams abound and being sent in for fairly minor reasons.. I wonder if that way of training cops is making its way across the border.. I strongly suspect it is..


I think it's more a cultural trend, criminals got more violent law enforcement get more violent in response and criminals prepare becoming more violent. Our law enforcement is mainly composed by soldiers, carabinieri are enlisted in the army and have militar training, but the only two incidents I remember where they killed someone that wasn't aiming a gun on them are back in 2006 in a highway rest area with the agent condamned, and another in 2001 during riots in geona for the G8 summit with the officer exonerated.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/20/2013 3:16:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444

I know you mentioned this story on another thread..
..sounds like cops there are getting increasingly more violent than they should be.. only 2 cops there ever charged but the previous incident was in 2010, this one in 2013.. that's a disturbing trend..

"Murder charges against police officers are extremely rare. Const. Forcillo is believed to be only the second officer charged with murder while on duty in Toronto."

I expect that (shoot first, ask questions later) in the US but I don't expect it in Canada.. 9 shots.. (cringe).. sounds like someone in front of a firing squad (except he didn't get a last cigarette & blindfold).. I expect the other officers shots were not the life-ending shots so they weren't charged as well...



Don't feel any quibbles about it, sweetheart.

As you've pointed out on several previous occasions, Canada doing anything right is due to inherent 'Canadiazation,' whereas anything that Canada might do wrong is due strictly to 'Amercanization,' so you'd have it.

Your mind (such as it is) in this regard works quite well for you, no question.



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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/20/2013 9:33:38 AM   
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Don't feel any quibbles about it, sweetheart.

As you've pointed out on several previous occasions, Canada doing anything right is due to inherent 'Canadiazation,' whereas anything that Canada might do wrong is due strictly to 'Amercanization,' so you'd have it.

Your mind (such as it is) in this regard works quite well for you, no question.

the US is where most north American weapons come from or from subsidiaries owned by US corps.. Tazer trains cops in the US & I expect also in Canada (directly or indirectly).. I know the US govt has pushed its various policing policies on Canada, such as forfeiture.. Canada at least is fair about the forfeiture they decided upon.. yeah, I don't like American influence on Canadian policy.. and no other country should either.. Financially the US govt has screwed millions of Americans causing the worst depression since the 30s, its thrown non-violent pot smokers in jail for decades now.. it steals money and assets from innocent people that have to fight and spend money to get back.. your politicians are so corrupt and sleazy but you keep voting them in.. your country is not a shining example to be followed.. You don't like my view on that.. bite me..

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/20/2013 10:14:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too bad really that your video doesn't mention anything about how Sammy Yatim apparently boarded the streetcar and was threatening passengers with a knife. First he ordered them to stay on the car, then ordering everyone off the bus when he realized he couldn't keep people from fleeing. The bus driver only escaped a few moments before the cops showed up. I don't know what the uproar is all about. Assault and Canuknapping are serious crimes.

Shit like that SHOULD get a person shot.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/21/2013 1:16:29 AM   
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Too bad really that your video doesn't mention anything about how Sammy Yatim apparently boarded the streetcar and was threatening passengers with a knife. First he ordered them to stay on the car, then ordering everyone off the bus when he realized he couldn't keep people from fleeing. The bus driver only escaped a few moments before the cops showed up. I don't know what the uproar is all about. Assault and Canuknapping are serious crimes.

Shit like that SHOULD get a person shot.

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I could answer just "no" as it's just your personal rave, but section 7 of canadian costitution says that " Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice" and as capital punishment had been abolised in canada this means that there are no crime act that SHOULD get you shot when you don't stand an imminent danger for other's safety anymore.

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RE: Officer Charged over shooting death in Toronto - 8/21/2013 1:19:19 AM   
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