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Rule -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/20/2013 1:55:06 PM)

FR

Why are such people allowed to reproduce?




hlen5 -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/20/2013 2:03:17 PM)

I hope that wasn't meant in reference to me personally.




cloudboy -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/20/2013 9:15:55 PM)

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Yes it is. But it seems that many folks seem to believe that only men are guilty.


Statistics suggest that for every three women killed, there is one male victim. I'll admit, I found this surprising.




PeonForHer -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 1:56:32 AM)

Would that be 'one male dies as a result of a female's actions', or does that one-in-four ratio include attacks on men by other men?





Rule -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:14:05 AM)

FR

While shopping I just met a woman whom I hope will be offed by her husband. Doubtlessly there are plenty more of such, both female and male.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:20:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Would that be 'one male dies as a result of a female's actions', or does that one-in-four ratio include attacks on men by other men?



Wouldn't the statistics concerning female deaths also include those killed by their female partner?
Your point appears to have been mooted.




kalikshama -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:23:16 AM)

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Statistics suggest that for every three women killed, there is one male victim. I'll admit, I found this surprising.


Source, please.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:26:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Statistics suggest that for every three women killed, there is one male victim. I'll admit, I found this surprising.


Source, please.

On average, more than three women and one man are murdered by their intimate partners in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. Intimate partner homicides accounted for 30% of the murders of women and 5% percent of the murders of men.
(Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S. 1993-2004, 2006.)

Most intimate partner homicides occur between spouses, though boyfriends/girlfriends have committed about the same number of homicides in recent years.
(Bureau of Justice Statistics, Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S. 1993-2004, 2006.)


Source: http://dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/#hom

that was easy




kalikshama -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:29:06 AM)

I don't want to guess as to what source someone is using. I believe that "Statistics suggest" should be followed by the link.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:47:01 AM)

I think that one of the salient points is that when someone says "Domestic Violence" the picture that has been generated by the media and 'awareness campaigns' is "Male perp, female victim" and anyone who doesn't toe the party line is full of it.

I'll go even further and say that when a domestic homicide victim is male, the talk around town will frequently be along the line of "he must have been mistreating her for her to do that" "I bet she caught him cheating" "He was probably a mean drunk".




cloudboy -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 7:43:25 AM)

I don't really have a good source, honestly. My initial thought was that, "sure men might be victims of abuse but I'm sure it doesn't rise to the level of homicide." So I just mucked around on Google and found some numbers from the year 2000 where some 1400 women and 440 men were killed by their partner. A percentage, I'm not sure what, may have been female victims of domestic violence who killed their spouse.

Edited: HW looked at the figures I did. I'll be frank, I just have a hard time seeing DV the other way around b/c I can't picture it happening to myself, friends, or family. But after reading a description of what some men have to deal with (the kinds of abuse), I realized they have quite a situation on their hands.

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http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/02/01/why-do-so-many-men-die-as-a-result-of-domestic-violence/

Here is an article with statistics from the State of Maryland. 28 female and 9 male victims of DV were killed by DV homicide from JUL 2008-JUN 2009.




cloudboy -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 7:52:56 AM)


Yes, my impression is that male DV is something akin to an urban myth, but alas, looks like I was wrong.

If I had to pin a motivator behind DV: jealously, insecurity, anger, and substance abuse --- well I know women can have all of that and then some.




NuevaVida -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 9:58:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'll go even further and say that when a domestic homicide victim is male, the talk around town will frequently be along the line of "he must have been mistreating her for her to do that" "I bet she caught him cheating" "He was probably a mean drunk".

My first thought is "crazy bitch" but then you get stories like "The Burning Bed" and a myriad of others and it's understandable that some people conclude the man must've been an ass.

ETA or just watch a few episodes of Snapped.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 3:47:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The New Yorker had a great article in its JUL 22, 2013 edition entitled, Annals of Prevention, A Raised Hand, Can a new Approach Curb Domestic Violence.

The short answer is YES, and the background to this answer was very interesting.

One in every four women is a victim of domestic, physical violence at some point in her life.

Between 2000-06, 3,200 American soldiers were killed; during that period, domestic homicide in the USA claimed 10,600 lives. (Likely an under-reported figure.)


A domestic violence worker in Massachusetts named Kelly Dunne came up with a method of coordinating the work of courts, the police, and domestic violence workers to feed information to a "high risk team" that would assess the risk of homicide in domestic cases. Women at high risk of being murdered had a history as follows:

(1) Had sought help from the police and criminal justice system at least one time; (2) a prior instance of physical domestic violence; (3) increased danger spiking when a victim attempted to leave an abuser; (4) a change in the household such as a pregnancy or a new job; (5) a victim has been separated from her abuser for less than three months time; (6) the abuser was also a substance abuser; (7) the abuser owned a gun; (8) the abuser demanded forced sex, made threats to kill, and/or engaged in choking the victim; (9) the abuser was chronically unemployed.

Weighing factors 1-9, the high risk domestic violence team would score the likelihood of a homicide. A points scale from 0-18 was devised with an "18" denoting extremely high risk of homicide.

With a threat index in place, abusers could be interdicted before committing violence. For instance a high danger score coupled with a restraining order violation would result in a dangerousness hearing. This could lock the abuser up and force him into counseling. The victim then did not have to move into a shelter to seek protection. Before this system was put in place, police, courts, and domestic violence workers only realized the dangerousness factors after the fact.

Long story short, this method, when applied effectively, seriously reduces the commission of domestic violence homicides. All in all, I found this very heartening news.




See....I don't get this....I get that chics are hounded by guys....I get that chics are affected by loser guys but....so are guys (by loser chics)....I'm guessing chics have more loser guys chasing them....calling them.....guys are weird....hanging out at their driveways and shit...but seriously, guys have chics fucking with guys and....they do shit that the police walk away from...."you're a guy...you can handle this shit"....(wouldn't you want a chic hanging on your every word?...Hmmmmm????)

If you think chics are being avoided by the police...trust me...it's worse with guys (although, I know, the numbers are smaller)....police toss complaints by guys regards crazy chics.

Sorry...not to take away...just saying....guys don't have it easy.




hlen5 -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 3:56:01 PM)

I don't doubt that just like Female on Male sexual abuse, F to M DV is also under-reported AND discounted.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:07:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Yes, my impression is that male DV is something akin to an urban myth, but alas, looks like I was wrong.

If I had to pin a motivator behind DV: jealously, insecurity, anger, and substance abuse --- well I know women can have all of that and then some.


Hmmm I have seen plenty of times on that show COPS where the guy is the one attacked and she is going to jail. One guy had stab wounds but most of them had nasty scratches. Oh I believe it goes both ways without a doubt.




AlluraVogue -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/21/2013 6:16:13 PM)

Mas interesante.




kalikshama -> RE: Domestic Violence Against Women -- Effective Interdiction (8/26/2013 10:38:22 AM)

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The New Yorker had a great article in its JUL 22, 2013 edition entitled, Annals of Prevention, A Raised Hand, Can a new Approach Curb Domestic Violence.


Ok, I have finally read this, and in addition to the risk assessment mentioned in the OP, the other interesting aspect was inter-agency cooperation, which sadly is not currently a standard. Police officers, District attorneys, probation and parole officers, batterers-intervention group counselors and hospital representatives do not commonly share information. "It's in the cracks that murders happen." Judges grant bail when they wouldn't if they had complete information.




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