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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 12:29:45 AM   
Phydeaux


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Status: offline 		You can keep asserting its Bush'es fault is an adequate defense.

And the rest of us will have no incentive to do anything with you. You don't want to admit that its a scandal? You don't want to admit NSA eaves dropping is a scandal? You don't want to admit IRS releasing confidential tax documents to political opponents is a scandal.

Well, thats your right. Just don't come bitchin to me cause you can't get nothing done. You don't want to have even the appearance of impartiality - don't be surprised when it comes around and bites ya in the ass.

You can't have it both ways. Bipartisianship is not- we do everything your way - its you agree that both parties have legitimate interests. As for me, I'm *perfectly* happy with nothing getting done, because as far as I'm concerned nothing is a great deal better than the crap the dims want to pass.


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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 12:30:48 AM   
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Aaron Burr tried to form a separate country, Does this mean that the South should have gotten a pass.
What Bush did or did not do has no bearing on Benghazi.
If but Bush..... is your only defense you have already lost and you can't even see it.

There is no defense for any admin., they are all incompetent to some level but the dems (left) doesn't come close the outright hypocrisy in how the same occurrences are treated by a repub (righty) partisan congress.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 12:44:58 AM   
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You can keep asserting its Bush'es fault is an adequate defense.

And the rest of us will have no incentive to do anything with you. You don't want to admit that its a scandal? You don't want to admit NSA eaves dropping is a scandal? You don't want to admit IRS releasing confidential tax documents to political opponents is a scandal.

Well, thats your right. Just don't come bitchin to me cause you can't get nothing done. You don't want to have even the appearance of impartiality - don't be surprised when it comes around and bites ya in the ass.

You can't have it both ways. Bipartisianship is not- we do everything your way - its you agree that both parties have legitimate interests. As for me, I'm *perfectly* happy with nothing getting done, because as far as I'm concerned nothing is a great deal better than the crap the dims want to pass.


Of course you are wrong. It was do it MY way for 6 years. Bush was only the 2nd pres. EVER to not veto a single repub bill (the repubs had majorities in both houses) in those 6 years. The repubs about told the dems they didn't even need to show up, didn't allow many to even be seated in subcommittee hearings, never allowed a single dem amend. to bills, That's bipartisanship ?

Then Bush became the FIRST pres. in our history to ever to not veto a single veto in the first 6 years of a 2 term pres. Then when the dems took the house...13...THIRTEEN fucking vetos in the ensuing 2 years. That's bipartisanship ?

Now their FIRST priority, not their 2nd or 3rd but their 1st priority was to make Obama a one term pres. ? That's bipartisanship ?

The repubs give a totally new meaning to the word chutzpah.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 1:48:08 AM   
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Snicker. Blame bush! 6 people die. Its ok .. cuz
Its bushes fault.

Global warming- bush's fault.
Guantanamo- bush's fault.
gun control - bush's fault
crappy economy - bush's fault.

Obama care. We don't know yet. If its a failure, it will be bushes fault.


April 19, 1995....

....That was the fault of conservatives. Not the GOP. Oh, do you have to look that up? Former President Clinton and the Democrats did not try to milk that event even on the same scale as G.W. Bush's White House and the GOP used September 11, 2001. President Clinton got the guys that did 4/19/95; Did Bush get the guy who attacked us on 9/11/01? No, that would be taken care of by another responsible adult.....President Obama!

Actually the number of embassy attacks under both terms of former President George W. Bush comes out to 13. The really sad thing here, is that you make it out to be some kind of joke. 93 People were killed and 64 injured; and you snicker like a junior high school kid about this stuff?

We didn't declare war before invading both Afghanistan and Iraq (nor did we afterward). It cost our country greatly. $4+ Trillion in debt, 4,500+ US Soldiers died, 32,000+ wounded and anywhere from 100,000+ to 600,000+ civilians killed(SOURCE). Most of this took place during the 'warring time frame' under the Bush White House. As things were diminished during the Obama White House; unfortunately more was added to each list. An you find something amusing about all of this?

Why is it that conservatives behave like little children on almost every topic within our country these days?

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 2:28:53 AM   
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Aaron Burr tried to form a separate country, Does this mean that the South should have gotten a pass.
What Bush did or did not do has no bearing on Benghazi.
If but Bush..... is your only defense you have already lost and you can't even see it.

You are missing the point. We bring up W's great many hugely worse blunders and numbers of dead Americans to point out the hypocrisy of the right. You guys lost the right to bitch about minor stuff like this when you gave W a pass for 9/11, the Iraq occupation, the Katrina response etc. etc. ad seemingly infinitum.

A few people died. It was a tragedy. It was not the grand conspiracy/coverup the far right wanted it to be so they could impeach Obama and/or dirty up Hilary before 2016.

How about the right come up with some new ideas for improving the nation or maybe try compromising with the rest of us so some stuff gets done instead of ginning up fake scandals?

No you aren't you are hiding behind Bush did to avoid todays problems.
Keep in mind that even Obama admitted some of these were serious before he saw the need to call them false for the sake of politics.
As for Bush in the words of St Hillary "what possible difference can it make now"

No. we're not hiding from anything. The left is upset with the President on a whole host of issues but the stuff the right is having their freakouts about is ridiculous and hypocritical in the extreme.

For instance under Obama we've had one minor attack on a diplomatic mission that resulted in 4 dead Americans and the right wing is apoplectic. However under W we had at least 13 attacks on our diplomatic missions and we had many fatalities to our personnel and many more deaths of locals employed by us but not a peep about any of it from the right.

It is glaringly hypocritical.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 2:37:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Snicker. Blame bush! 6 people die. Its ok .. cuz
Its bushes fault.

Global warming- bush's fault.
Guantanamo- bush's fault.
gun control - bush's fault
crappy economy - bush's fault.

Obama care. We don't know yet. If its a failure, it will be bushes fault.


Boy oh boy, you just dont get it....... Scale, S-C-A-L-E, Scale.

Snicker indeed.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 2:45:39 AM   
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or on 9/11

Never heard of truthers huh?


Oh I have, and if you check my posts you will see I always treat them with distain. However, there is a difference with the truthers, who insist (/11 was an inside job (Tossers that they are) And those who suggest the security services under Bush dropped the ball big time. The dots were there for all to see but the inter-agency empire building got in the way of any meaningful co-operation.

The point is, and you clealry wish to overlook it, is as follows. Even if you put Benghazi down to President Obama, few of you moaned about Bush and Blair invading Iraq at geart cost to human life. Allied Troops, Civilians etc, a situation still ongoingafter allied forces have withdrawn, as predicted it would.

The pertinent fact isnt blaming Bush, its that most of you out for blood and angry after four American deaths said Sweet FA under the previous President.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 2:48:17 AM   
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Open season on ex wife .... cause O J


Resorting to the absurd is.......absurd.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/22/2013 6:03:22 AM   
Owner59


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"GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security"

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/10/14342096-the-gops-embassy-security-problem?lite

The obsession is about brutally guilty conciseness.....and the low functioning criminal-like mindset that thinks well if we got thousands and thousands of Americans killed through fraud and deception, we`re cool if we can make other people seem guilty.....of something......

"Great, is the guilt of an unnecessary war" John Adams

The gop has so much innocent blood on their hands from Iraq..... that they`re still stained. Which makes the fingers they point as grotesque as they are red.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 11:14:10 AM   
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Per ForeignPolicy newletter today:

Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, sharply criticized Secretary of State John Kerry for clearing the four State Department employees placed on administrative leave following the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Soooooo 4 Americans and 2 libyans die.. and no one is to blame!
What an investigation!


Disgusting!!

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 11:33:54 AM   
Phydeaux


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a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

b). The issues isn't the number of people died. The bombing of the marine barracks in Beirut was a national tragedy. And there were many reports about the failings of security.

The number of deaths isn't the issue. I regret every American that dies in pursuit of American foreign policy.

The issue, however, is political corruption. The obama administration:

a). Lied about the source of the attack to further their electoral prospects.
b). Declined to provide aid to americans under attack, despite appropriate requests.
c). Punished and removed from authority people that tried to aid the americans under attack.
d). Lied in trying to cover up the actions of a-c.
e). Were incompetent in their handling of security before, during, and after, resulting in the entire libyan intelligence network getting rolled up.
f). Failed to hold anyone accountable.

Regarding "republican cutbacks to security"

Snicker.
Both republicans and democrats passed the sequester bill. It was Obama's idea.
It was the ADMINISTRATION that chose to have no security on the anniversary on 9/11.
It was the administration that decided Paris needs more security than Libya. 16 man marine security detail in paris. 0 marines in libya.
It was the administration that removed the support aircraft.
It was the administration that failed to secure the site for more than 2 weeks after the attack.
It was the administration that decided to waive the usual security requirements for the consulate.
It was the administration that declined to provide more security when repeatedly asked.


If you lefties cannot admit when you have done wrong - if you want to boldfacedly lie and present this as anything other than lies and incompetence then you have no right to expect cooperation from any on the right.









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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 11:39:30 AM   
DsBound


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Status: offline 		Not sure if you have seen this... it makes you wonder what the heck they are actually afraid of?? Civil war, perhaps?? lol On a more serious note, I can not help but think this is all to cover up and buy time so Hillary can run in 2016.

http://theweek.com/article/index/247799/are-cia-agents-being-pressured-to-keep-quiet-about-benghazi

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 12:53:17 PM   
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Here's a link to the actual Foreign Policy piece:

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/20/issa_rips_kerry_for_clearing_officials_in_benghazi_probe

The lead says:

In the aftermath of an internal investigation into Benghazi that found "systemic failures and leadership deficiencies at senior levels," four State Department officials were placed on administrative leave last year. But now, after reviewing each case, Secretary of State John Kerry has cleared all four officials to return to work, leaving Republicans largely scalpless as the one-year anniversary of the attack on the diplomatic compound nears.

Yet the story later notes:

Republicans, at this point, are not contesting the individual cases of the four, but would like someone to be punished for security failures that contributed to the deaths of four Americans including Amb. Chris Stevens.

That makes me wonder if the real beef of Issa and co. isn't that Kerry made the wrong call on the four employees but, to borrow an image from the writer, the GOP wants scalps and doesn't much care whose they are.

Perhaps our Republican brethren are channeling Lewis Carroll:

'No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first — verdict afterwards.’



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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 2:03:12 PM   
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For those interested in actual facts:


a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?


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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 3:59:01 PM   
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For those interested in actual facts:


a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?



David Foy was killed at a hotel, as part of an assassination, which as you may notice *is not an attack on an american embassy (or consulate).

Now you might have schooled me good on Susan el-Baneh. You know, her cousin was the one that set up and participated in the attack. And she was killed outside the embassy.

So, I'll give you perhaps one. In hundreds of attacks on embassassies. And there was never any allegations of improper security, or coverup.

Thanks for making Bush look good.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 5:04:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

For those interested in actual facts:


a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?



David Foy was killed at a hotel, as part of an assassination, which as you may notice *is not an attack on an american embassy (or consulate).

The hotel is across the street from the consulate he worked at. The consulate the same group had attacked 3 times previously killing a lot of US government employees in the process.

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Now you might have schooled me good on Susan el-Baneh. You know, her cousin was the one that set up and participated in the attack. And she was killed outside the embassy.

Inside the embassy compound in line waiting to get a visa for her husband.

So you lied. 2 US citizens were killed during attacks on US diplomatic compounds under Bush and no investigative freak outs by dumbass lying cons who actually cut funding for security to diplomatic missions. No ridiculous conspiracy theories by morons who can't get over the melanin content of the President's skin.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 5:19:08 PM   
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For those interested in actual facts:


a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?




Neatly overlooking the deaths in Iraq, something I clearly pointed out to you.

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/25/2013 11:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Per ForeignPolicy newletter today:

Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, sharply criticized Secretary of State John Kerry for clearing the four State Department employees placed on administrative leave following the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Soooooo 4 Americans and 2 libyans die.. and no one is to blame!
What an investigation!


Yeah, all this "transparency" is ~blinding~ isn't it?
Where's my sun glasses?
Gee, do you think President Pantload meant that we (The American People) should be "transparent" but that NSA, State Dept, Irs etc didn't have to be transparent? Maybe people got it backwards?

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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/26/2013 1:30:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

For those interested in actual facts:


a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?




Neatly overlooking the deaths in Iraq, something I clearly pointed out to you.


I didn't overlook anything. I answered you. I'll repeat my answer, since you seemed to have missed it.

1). Bush caught unmitigated hell for the war in Iraq. Left, Right, Center. Fine, he's a big boy. And frankly, the reconstruction was incompetent. As were most of the generals, for that matter.

He deserved to catch hell for it. He caught hell for it. Now, however, its a *different* president. One who still hasn't had a full, fair, transparent investigation into benghazi, let alone any of the other scandals.

So, Benghazi is ok because... bush was a moron. Sorry, no.


Now - is there *any* chance you will say the same about Obama. Hmm.. Of course not.


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RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete - 8/26/2013 1:32:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Per ForeignPolicy newletter today:

Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, sharply criticized Secretary of State John Kerry for clearing the four State Department employees placed on administrative leave following the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Soooooo 4 Americans and 2 libyans die.. and no one is to blame!
What an investigation!



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