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Phydeaux -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/26/2013 1:45:18 AM)

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a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?



David Foy was killed at a hotel, as part of an assassination, which as you may notice *is not an attack on an american embassy (or consulate).

The hotel is across the street from the consulate he worked at. The consulate the same group had attacked 3 times previously killing a lot of US government employees in the process.


No, or at least not that I have found any report of. Dead were pakistani rangers, pakistani police, and civilians.

Check wiki, for example.
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Now you might have schooled me good on Susan el-Baneh. You know, her cousin was the one that set up and participated in the attack. And she was killed outside the embassy.

Inside the embassy compound in line waiting to get a visa for her husband.


Outside the embassy. Quoting CNN: "No American officials or embassy employees were killed or wounded, embassy officials said. Six of the dead were Yemeni guards at the compound entrance, and the other four killed were civilians waiting to be allowed in"


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So you lied. 2 US citizens were killed during attacks on US diplomatic compounds under Bush and no investigative freak outs by dumbass lying cons who actually cut funding for security to diplomatic missions. No ridiculous conspiracy theories by morons who can't get over the melanin content of the President's skin.


Again, no. The assasination of David Hoy occured outside the consulate, and did not involve an attack on the consulate.

And apparently, you are unfamiliar with the meaning of the words "to lie" which you sling around so freely. I was unaware of Susan elBanah, and admitted to the error. Of course it is by no means sure that she wasn't part of the attack.

Her husband to be had been involved in criminal activities. Her cousin - who masterminded and participated in the attack, was on the FBI most wanted.

You don't think it at all possible that they used her to get an inside look at the layout of the consulate, the staffing etc?

Regarding the sequester: Obama's idea.
Regarding the staffing levels at the embassies: Obamas plan.
Regarding the movie that inspired the riots: Obama's lie.

And I couldn't give a rats ass about the color of the Presidents skin.




joether -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/26/2013 3:32:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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ORIGINAL:
For those interested in actual facts:

a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?

David Foy was killed at a hotel, as part of an assassination, which as you may notice *is not an attack on an american embassy (or consulate).

The hotel is across the street from the consulate he worked at. The consulate the same group had attacked 3 times previously killing a lot of US government employees in the process.


No, or at least not that I have found any report of. Dead were pakistani rangers, pakistani police, and civilians.


"May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb." SOURCE

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Check wiki, for example.
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Now you might have schooled me good on Susan el-Baneh. You know, her cousin was the one that set up and participated in the attack. And she was killed outside the embassy.

Inside the embassy compound in line waiting to get a visa for her husband.


Outside the embassy. Quoting CNN: "No American officials or embassy employees were killed or wounded, embassy officials said. Six of the dead were Yemeni guards at the compound entrance, and the other four killed were civilians waiting to be allowed in"


Got a source for that information from CNN? As I simply plugged that quote into goggle, and I got a very different original source....FOX NEWS! Yeah, cus FOX News.....always.....is 100% truthful, honest and credible with its 'journalism'.


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Regarding the sequester: Obama's idea.
Regarding the staffing levels at the embassies: Obamas plan.
Regarding the movie that inspired the riots: Obama's lie.


You really have a one dimensional view on US History.....

Here is a short history lesson the Sequester. Republicans failed in the deal and then tried to go back on their word in regards to original sequester. Which is why they blew so much B.S. on their media sources in trying to convinced the uninformed Americans (i.e. conservatives that watch FOX NEWS), that Democrats were at fault. Yes, both sides had faults, but the Republican's attitude of 'Party of No' got them into the lion's share of blame. Oh, an Sequestor was not President Obama's idea, it was Congress's.

Your going to blame a US President of not knowing the best staffing levels at all the embassies, BEFORE, an attack takes place at one of them? Gosh, imagine if you held Republicans to....THIS LEVEL OF ACCOUNTIBILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY? Republicans would never get elected to office for a century! I do not blame former President George W. Bush for the thirteen embassy attacks on his watch. There was nothing he could have done differently since all those attacks took place by terrorists, NOT, on the White House's schedule. But it is curious why Republicans keep dragging up the Benghazi event while being completely silent why they did not hold a Republican president to the same level of accountability and responsibility? Don't suppose it has anything to do with....play politics.....before the midterm elections? Nay, couldn't be that in your opinion; Republicans would NEVER stoop that low. What did former Speak of the House Newt Gingrich do while impeaching former President Bill Clinton of lying about having an affair? Oh yeah, he was having an affair as well!

Oh one final note. Democrats were pretty weary that Republicans might go back on their word in the deal if thing went south with the sequester. They made sure to keep everything in recorded history and show it to all Americans. Yeah, they took a hit on The Affordable Care Act and vowed not to allow Republicans to do the same thing twice to them. An how does the ACA come into all of this? For that you'll have to study US History from a non-conservative source. You know, the free media?



DomKen -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/26/2013 9:25:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
No, or at least not that I have found any report of. Dead were pakistani rangers, pakistani police, and civilians.

Check wiki, for example.

Even wiki said so. Or do you think the guards at the consulate gate are not paid by us?

And David Hoy is still dead and he was definitely a US citizen
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Outside the embassy. Quoting CNN: "No American officials or embassy employees were killed or wounded, embassy officials said. Six of the dead were Yemeni guards at the compound entrance, and the other four killed were civilians waiting to be allowed in"

You never claimed that the Americans had to be inside the Embassy. Go read your lying claim again .
Here let me help you
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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.


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So you lied. 2 US citizens were killed during attacks on US diplomatic compounds under Bush and no investigative freak outs by dumbass lying cons who actually cut funding for security to diplomatic missions. No ridiculous conspiracy theories by morons who can't get over the melanin content of the President's skin.


Again, no. The assasination of David Hoy occured outside the consulate, and did not involve an attack on the consulate.

And apparently, you are unfamiliar with the meaning of the words "to lie" which you sling around so freely. I was unaware of Susan elBanah, and admitted to the error. Of course it is by no means sure that she wasn't part of the attack.

You made a statement that any tiny amount of actual research would have shown to be incorrect so you have two choices either you lied or you cannot do even trivial research. So which is it, are you a liar or are you a complete blithering idiot?



Politesub53 -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/26/2013 3:59:26 PM)

Phydeaux, you seem to be counting atrocities as per American dead. Some of us are just as concerned about all the dead.

You kind of remind me of the British red top newspapers.

"4,000 killed in earth quake, a man from Birmingham is said to have scratched his arm"



Phydeaux -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:21:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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For those interested in actual facts:

a). There were numberous embassy attacks during Bush's tenure. True. However, not a single american died during those attacks.
Not one. Look it up.

When did the US strip David Foy of his citizenship? How about Susan el-Baneh?

David Foy was killed at a hotel, as part of an assassination, which as you may notice *is not an attack on an american embassy (or consulate).

The hotel is across the street from the consulate he worked at. The consulate the same group had attacked 3 times previously killing a lot of US government employees in the process.


No, or at least not that I have found any report of. Dead were pakistani rangers, pakistani police, and civilians.


"May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb." SOURCE


Flat out lie by your source.

Here is a link about the attack: According to wiki, whose sources are listed:

"Late on 12 May, several vehicles containing heavily-armed assault teams arrived at three Riyadh compounds: The Dorrat Al Jadawel, a compound owned by the London-based MBI International and Partners subsidiary Jadawel International, the Al Hamra Oasis Village, and the Vinnell Corporation Compound, a compound occupied by a Virginia-based defense contractor that was training the Saudi National Guard.[2] All contained large numbers of Americans, Westerners, and non-Saudi Arabs"

Your source is lying trying to say its was an attack on a US embassy or consulate, when in fact it was not.

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Check wiki, for example.
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Now you might have schooled me good on Susan el-Baneh. You know, her cousin was the one that set up and participated in the attack. And she was killed outside the embassy.

Inside the embassy compound in line waiting to get a visa for her husband.


Outside the embassy. Quoting CNN: "No American officials or embassy employees were killed or wounded, embassy officials said. Six of the dead were Yemeni guards at the compound entrance, and the other four killed were civilians waiting to be allowed in"


Got a source for that information from CNN? As I simply plugged that quote into goggle, and I got a very different original source....FOX NEWS! Yeah, cus FOX News.....always.....is 100% truthful, honest and credible with its 'journalism'.


Is it really that hard to go to the cnn site and do a search yourself?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/18/yemen.american/index.html?iref=allsearch

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Regarding the sequester: Obama's idea.
Regarding the staffing levels at the embassies: Obamas plan.
Regarding the movie that inspired the riots: Obama's lie.


You really have a one dimensional view on US History.....

Here is a short history lesson the Sequester. Republicans failed in the deal and then tried to go back on their word in regards to original sequester. Which is why they blew so much B.S. on their media sources in trying to convinced the uninformed Americans (i.e. conservatives that watch FOX NEWS), that Democrats were at fault. Yes, both sides had faults, but the Republican's attitude of 'Party of No' got them into the lion's share of blame. Oh, an Sequestor was not President Obama's idea, it was Congress's.


Factually in error.

Here, let me educate *you*.

Here's the link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/03/03/white-house-admits-third-time-president-obama-fibbed-on-sequester/

Here's the quote: "None other than NBC’s David Gregory today pressed Obama’s chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, whether his boss told the truth in the third presidential debate that “the sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.” Sperling finally wilted under the pressure of tough questioning to admit that “yes, in fact, the sequestration was President Obama’s

Jack Lew admitted it was Obama's idea in sworn hearings Feb 13.
and Jay Carney admitted it was O's idea Feb 19. Do try to read more than Dim talking points.

Of course, the president lied on national TV three times saying the sequester was Congress' idea. Before the press actually performed their job.


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Your going to blame a US President of not knowing the best staffing levels at all the embassies, BEFORE, an attack takes place at one of them? Gosh, imagine if you held Republicans to....THIS LEVEL OF ACCOUNTIBILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY? Republicans would never get elected to office for a century! I do not blame former President George W. Bush for the thirteen embassy attacks on his watch.


Go reread my statement. Staffing levels are the responsibility of his administration. The president is only responsible to the extent the bucks stops there.

However, where the president was *culpable* was where he ordered the relief missions to stand down. Where he was culpable when he conferred at 4:30 am with hillary clinton to call it a spontaneous mob inspired by a video. After watching the live video feed, and hearing from the NSA that it was not.

Regarding the *13* embassy attacks - this is a direct quote from dimocratic talking points. Read a little history - the number of attacks were far far more.

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blah... blah blah..

Oh one final note. Democrats were pretty weary that Republicans might go back on their word in the deal if thing went south with the sequester. They made sure to keep everything in recorded history and show it to all Americans. Yeah, they took a hit on The Affordable Care Act and vowed not to allow Republicans to do the same thing twice to them. An how does the ACA come into all of this? For that you'll have to study US History from a non-conservative source. You know, the free media?


Do you have a source, or a quote to at least try to explain what you are talking about? It is so far removed from reality that I actually have no idea even what you are trying to say.

May I suggest a timeline on the sequester here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_sequestration_in_2013





Phydeaux -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:37:18 AM)

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No, or at least not that I have found any report of. Dead were pakistani rangers, pakistani police, and civilians.

Check wiki, for example.

Even wiki said so. Or do you think the guards at the consulate gate are not paid by us?


So? the point I said was that no americans died. I never opined on who the guards at the consular gate were paid by.

But since you make the [erroneous] assumption that pakistani police, and military rangers are paid by the US, I will note that it is the responsibility of the host nation to provide security for diplomatic embassies.

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And David Hoy is still dead and he was definitely a US citizen


And he was still not killed in an attack on a US embassy or consulate. Which is what I said.
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Outside the embassy. Quoting CNN: "No American officials or embassy employees were killed or wounded, embassy officials said. Six of the dead were Yemeni guards at the compound entrance, and the other four killed were civilians waiting to be allowed in"

You never claimed that the Americans had to be inside the Embassy. Go read your lying claim again .


I have already said that *perhaps* susan elbaneh qualifies. And that perhaps I was wrong, in that one instance. Neither you nor I are privy to the details of the attack of whether she particpated willingly or unwillingly in the attack.

Of course you beat this drum to avoid talking about the fact
of Obama's deliberate lies in this matter.

And to avoid talking about their administrations rank incompetence.


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You made a statement that any tiny amount of actual research would have shown to be incorrect so you have two choices either you lied or you cannot do even trivial research. So which is it, are you a liar or are you a complete blithering idiot?


Said the man that said no planes were in range of Benghazi?
Said the man that said the range of our fighter planes was 370 miles?
Said the man that said weather incidences proved global warming - remember that gem?
Said the man that claimed a tax liability was a subsidy?
Said the man famous for making posts without fact or quote?
So said the man that said global temperature are not flat - when every significant scientific source concedes they are..



Phydeaux -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:42:27 AM)


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Phydeaux, you seem to be counting atrocities as per American dead. Some of us are just as concerned about all the dead.

You kind of remind me of the British red top newspapers.

"4,000 killed in earth quake, a man from Birmingham is said to have scratched his arm"


Since the topic I chose to start was the Benghazi whitewash, why would I opine on the price of tea in china?



Politesub53 -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:58:42 AM)


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Phydeaux, you seem to be counting atrocities as per American dead. Some of us are just as concerned about all the dead.

You kind of remind me of the British red top newspapers.

"4,000 killed in earth quake, a man from Birmingham is said to have scratched his arm"


Since the topic I chose to start was the Benghazi whitewash, why would I opine on the price of tea in china?


And he was still not killed in an attack on a US embassy or consulate. Which is what I said.

I was talking about your claims such as the one above. David Foy was indeed killed in an attack on the consulate, since the car bomb was less than 20 yards away. Are you suggesting the real target was actually a car park, and the fact your consulate was next to it is pure coincidence ?



DomKen -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 1:19:21 AM)

Fact: Americans were killed in attacks on our diplomatic missions under W.
You claimed
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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

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However, not a single american died during those attacks.

Now either you lied or you're too dumb to do a basic web search. Which is it?

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Said the man that said no planes were in range of Benghazi?

No planes were despite your rather fantastic bullshit claims.
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Said the man that said the range of our fighter planes was 370 miles?

As documented by Janes and several other sources.
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Said the man that said weather incidences proved global warming - remember that gem?

Nope. I think I'll find, if you dare link to it, that you're telling another lie
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Said the man that claimed a tax liability was a subsidy?

A tax deduction that is supposed to be for encouraging US manufacturing that instead goes to oil drilling is a subsidy.
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Said the man famous for making posts without fact or quote?

I post link after link after link and you ignore them and then lie about me some more. Speaking of links when are you going to man up and take the humiliation for not being able to present a link to NASA saying any of the preposterous stuff you've claimed NASA has said.?
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So said the man that said global temperature are not flat - when every significant scientific source concedes they are..

No reputable source says global temperatures are flat. That claim is based off one lie told in a British paper as I explained in detail before which you as usual studiously ignored.



papassion -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 8:01:47 AM)

Well, well well, are the Liberals going to say that Obama's chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, LIED when he said the sequester was Obama's idea? And did Jack Lew LIE when he swore it was Obama's idea? And again, J. Carney, is he a LIER too, saying it was Obama's idea? You know, like FOX NEWS said it WAS, and the Obamabots screamed that fox news LIED, and it was not Obama's idea?

Jeez, no wonder fox gets a phony reputation for lying. Obamabots go crazy if anything does not agree with the warped way they IMAGINE things should go!



dcnovice -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 8:18:12 AM)


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Well, well well, are the Liberals going to say that Obama's chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, LIED when he said the sequester was Obama's idea? And did Jack Lew LIE when he swore it was Obama's idea? And again, J. Carney, is he a LIER too, saying it was Obama's idea? You know, like FOX NEWS said it WAS, and the Obamabots screamed that fox news LIED, and it was not Obama's idea?

Jeez, no wonder fox gets a phony reputation for lying. Obamabots go crazy if anything does not agree with the warped way they IMAGINE things should go!

What does this have to do with Benghazi?



papassion -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 8:52:14 AM)


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Well, well well, are the Liberals going to say that Obama's chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, LIED when he said the sequester was Obama's idea? And did Jack Lew LIE when he swore it was Obama's idea? And again, J. Carney, is he a LIER too, saying it was Obama's idea? You know, like FOX NEWS said it WAS, and the Obamabots screamed that fox news LIED, and it was not Obama's idea?

Jeez, no wonder fox gets a phony reputation for lying. Obamabots go crazy if anything does not agree with the warped way they IMAGINE things should go!

What does this have to do with Benghazi?


Right, should have made the point, If Obama is a PROVEN LIER, why would anyone believe anything he says about Benghazi or anything else? And to vindicate Fox news from the Liberal bullshit that it lies when it exposes anything Liberals don't agree with. Like this story.



papassion -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 9:14:54 AM)


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Well, well well, are the Liberals going to say that Obama's chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, LIED when he said the sequester was Obama's idea? And did Jack Lew LIE when he swore it was Obama's idea? And again, J. Carney, is he a LIER too, saying it was Obama's idea? You know, like FOX NEWS said it WAS, and the Obamabots screamed that fox news LIED, and it was not Obama's idea?

Jeez, no wonder fox gets a phony reputation for lying. Obamabots go crazy if anything does not agree with the warped way they IMAGINE things should go!

What does this have to do with Benghazi?


Right, should have made the point, If Obama is a PROVEN LIER, why would anyone believe anything he says about Benghazi or anything else? And to vindicate Fox news from the Liberal bullshit that it lies when it exposes anything Liberals don't agree with. Like this story.


Then there is the lies about Benghazi not being a terrorist attack when they were even told by the leader of that country what it was. I hear his dog doesn't come when he calls him for dinner anymore. Even the dog doesn't believe him anymore. lol



mnottertail -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 10:13:52 AM)

Then there is the lies about Benghazi not being a terrorist attack when they were even told by the leader of that country what it was.
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I understood Saddam Hussein to say there were no weapons of mass destruction, so certainly you are not going to try to pass off this bit of cockgarglin as valid proof of anything (although I probably would have believed Hans Blix).



Lucylastic -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 10:22:03 AM)

papassion....
The heritage foundation thought that the Affordable Care Act was a good idea, that doesnt explain why congress(republicans ) have tried to defund it 40 times, AND why they want to shut down government completely if they dont get their way....
The sequester ..Obamas idea.... hoping to get some kind of compromise to stop it from happening, well we all knew how that would turn out... they had the power to stop it happening, ...but they didnt, why???
Altho again this has fuck all to do with benghazi and the prez did call it an "Act of Terror, the morning after.
Clusterfucks in every direction, but your inability to discern facts is not so good



mnottertail -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 10:29:27 AM)

Actually the defense sequester was Obamas idea, and thru negotiations with republican leadership, it turned into an across the board descretionary sequester.

And that is what passed into law with robust republican support.

How many here at the last debt ceiling raise were calling for across the board cuts, 50%,40%,30%,20% instead of sound fiscal policy?

Seems like they were for it before they were against it. Looks like Benghazi isn't the only bit of whitewash being painted on in D.C.



RacerJim -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:18:02 PM)

So now, in direct contradiction to Obama adamantly promising us that those responsible for what happened at Benghazi would be held accountable...

1) No one in the administration has been held accountable for not only refusing to increase security personnel at Benghazi but, moreover, actually decreasing security personnel at Benghazi;

2) No one in the administration has been held accountable for not only not ordering assistance during the attack but, moreover, ordering available assistance to "Stand Down";

3) The one and only person the administration has held accountable for their action was the US Army's Theater Of Operations Commanding General, whom the administration ordered relieved of command when he tried to send assistance;

4) No one in the administration has been held accountable for initiating and perpetuating the LIE that a very brief and little viewed web-video prompted the attack;

5) No one in the administration has apologized to the victims families for any of the above;

6) The administration just pulled the plug on arresting/capturing the terrorists it said it knows were responsible for the attack;

7) No one in the administration has been held accountable for LYING ABOUT and COVERING UP the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about Benghazi.






mnottertail -> RE: Benghazi update - the whitewash is complete (8/27/2013 12:20:16 PM)

Of dubious quality and veracity. Thank you for your effort, it would be less noisome to phone it in.



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