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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 5:30:29 PM

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No, two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, both Dem and Repubs are beholden to the money men. Yes, both sides' hands are dirty in this. I had read no further than post 3 when I did my original post on this thread.

Thats the point I am trying to get DsBounds to concede. Screaming for impeachment over war fundings? Over Benghazi?

Havent we wasted enough money on witch hunts and partisan stupidity?

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 5:37:02 PM

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....... BO had wire tapped a nation and no one seems to have a problem with it.

You think Obama got such a behemoth apparatus up and running since his first term in office??

He was way smarter than that, he even conned Bush into bringing in the Patriot Act Etc even before he (Obama) became President.

Yachtie, is right to blame Obama for pulling Georgies strings.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 5:37:21 PM

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Omg... lol. Sorry Tazzy... but who cares! They were both wrong that doesn't make it okay to do for decades to come.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 5:50:50 PM

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You've been waiting for me to concede that both parties suck... thought I did that about 10 posts ago?? Lol. ;) Again, they're interchangeable. .. they are both funded by same backers... they are both war mmongers. That doesn't mean its acceptable for years to come! Does it? Do I think he'll be impeached... heck no. Do I think he has continued to set our nation back with 15 trillion in deficitt. Yes!! AND before anyone says "but Bush started it"... you're right and I was stomping around then too! :)

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 5:54:06 PM

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Couldn't agree with you more... what concerns me is that most people don't care that we're being spied on and tracked. When I originally read the article you've mentioned my first thought was they're systematically figuring out who to detain first. What some refuse to see if who "they" deem to be terrorists. Citizens that homeschool, believe in God, fly flags, use words like Libertarian, Tea Party, Freedom. It is scary and the notion that BO hasn't been impeached already is insane. He's broken the constitution so many times and natta. It's funny in a not so funny way. Realize Nixon was impeached over wire tapping a room... BO had wire tapped a nation and no one seems to have a problem with it.

oldie but goodie from the dubya era and his "free speech zones", applies today as well.

they were pissed that got out! Posted it several times. Like most things that require insight and wisdom, no one took it seriously. Except of course the conspiracy theorists who are right again sadly enough.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 6:07:53 PM

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You've been waiting for me to concede that both parties suck... thought I did that about 10 posts ago?? Lol. ;) Again, they're interchangeable. .. they are both funded by same backers... they are both war mmongers. That doesn't mean its acceptable for years to come! Does it? Do I think he'll be impeached... heck no. Do I think he has continued to set our nation back with 15 trillion in deficitt. Yes!! AND before anyone says "but Bush started it"... you're right and I was stomping around then too! :)

Wow... there ya go again.

I dont care who started it. I am sick of the temper tantrums of...

How dare so and so do this or that... all the while negating that fact that it was done before him. Doesnt matter what administration. But, own up to the hypocrisy that you are displaying right now.

And, while we are on that little bent, try actually fact checking yourself a bit before ranting about a 15 tillion dollar deficit

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Do I think he has continued to set our nation back with 15 trillion in deficitt. Yes!!

You DO realize there is a HUGE difference between a DEFICIT and the DEBT, yes?

Currently the DEBT stands at 16.7 trillion.

Current deficit plunges 32%

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/07/news/economy/deficit-falling/index.html

Its pretty well known that the national DEBT was just above 10 trillion when Obama took office. So its up 6.7 trillion under his watch.

For your claim to be correct, the DEBT would have to be at over 23 trillion.

Again, buying into the hype without actually looking at the facts.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 7:52:56 PM

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Was typing a quick response on cell... my mistake. Yes, of course I do. No one is having a temper tantrum... I hope not anyway. Lol. If it will appease you since the 10 times I've already said it, clearly have not been comprehended... YES, yes, yes others before BO have done similar things and should have been or were called out! It may make some all warm and cozy knowing that we're not in unchartered waters, because others have done it before... but it's a shame.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 7:55:55 PM

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So.. since we all agree... whose fault is this mess?

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 7:57:01 PM

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Yours!! LOL

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 8:00:09 PM

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Its many peoples fault... money grubbing officials that see us as being here only to carry out whatever agenda they may have. I personally dislike BO and his administration but I strongly disliked Mittens too. So what do you do? You get active in what you believe and what you do stand for.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 8:01:45 PM

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Its OUR fault.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 9:34:17 PM

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After rereading... it seems like you're invested in protecting BO and what you hope he stands for. Understandably so if you voted for him. At some point you may come up with the question how does this continue to happen? I suggest you delve into Austrian economics. A wealth of information can be found at mises.org. what youll find there is the unimportance of party and how war is horrible econimically...regardless of who is doing it. War only benefits a few at a high cost.

And you are correct... debt was about 10 trillion when BO entered office. That 10 trillion was from ALL before him so the notion that this administration, alone, increased it by 7 trillion is ludicrous!

Enjoy your evening...
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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 10:07:28 PM

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And you are correct... debt was about 10 trillion when BO entered office. That 10 trillion was from ALL before him so the notion that this administration, alone, increased it by 7 trillion is ludicrous!

Ludicrous? With the economy he inherited? Just where have you been living?

2012 $359,796,008,919.49
2011 $454,393,280,417.03
2010 $413,954,825,362.17
2009 $383,071,060,815.42
2008 $451,154,049,950.63

These are the interest dues on the debt.. just interest... Rounding its a total of 2.06 trillion alone.

That leaves 5 trillion.. so far this year it stands at 370 billion.

Im not a die in the wool Obama defender. I have been known to defend Bush as well. The notion that any President gets a vacation is laughable. The belief that Bush was soley responsible for the aftermath of Katrina is a joke. He didnt lie about WMD, I do believe he was lied to... there is a big difference.

I prefer hard numbers. The economy is still in the shitter, but a hell of a lot better than when Obama took office. Its actually amazing that out debt isnt higher than it is. For all the complaints about an obstructionist Congress, we can thank them, partly, for that. Cant get bills passed, cant spend money.

I like Obama for his attempts at health care reform... though I think he fell way short of the mark I would have loved to have seen.

I dont look at politics, I look at results. The results of the Bush administration were ludicrous. But he wasnt soley at fault. Nor is Obama.

And WE are to blame because WE keep voting in the same fucking morons to Congress who keep up this pretense of knowing what is best for us without actually giving a damn what we think.

Its politics as usual, and you bought into the lies.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/25/2013 11:18:33 PM

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Remove the parties... its party. Government group party. The budget? We still have one? :) There hasn't been one since he took office, but we'll move past that. When you have a fed government that costs that much a year to run it is stupid, wrong and needs to be addressed.

I agree, Congress being locked up can be a good thing And i fully agree, they dont give two squats what the people want. I do however disagree with "we"... "We" wrote in and when we're offered moroons at state level that gets left blank. We rally and are active in our community but refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. So for our family its more than just lip service.

I think any discussion of the economy improving since hes been in office is crazy. Look at anything From 2008 .. milk, cheese, coffee, gas. How much were those items compared to now? But I get it, he inherited all of it... this administration hasnt "grown" it. ;)

I know many who dont care how we get "there" and are simply result focused. BUT it does matter! You cant have the gov strong arming small businesses and expect them to flourish. Didn't Stalin believe something similar?

Obamacare... one concern I see with OC is we are now seeing many employers cut hours so they don't have yo pay for it. I don't know one state where OC has saved money. Do you? Hospitals and insurance companies wrote it... all he did was say it was mandatory. "Its not a tax, its not a tax". Lol. Until Holdersays "its a tax so there should be no problem". Grrr.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 12:03:01 AM

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 12:05:04 AM

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Couldn't agree with you more... what concerns me is that most people don't care that we're being spied on and tracked. When I originally read the article you've mentioned my first thought was they're systematically figuring out who to detain first. What some refuse to see if who "they" deem to be terrorists. Citizens that homeschool, believe in God, fly flags, use words like Libertarian, Tea Party, Freedom. It is scary and the notion that BO hasn't been impeached already is insane. He's broken the constitution so many times and natta. It's funny in a not so funny way. Realize Nixon was impeached over wire tapping a room... BO had wire tapped a nation and no one seems to have a problem with it.

Impeach ? You mean like anyone of 4 of the last 5 presidents. Presidents do what they need to do...to stay alive.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 12:13:58 AM

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Oh okay... so you believe two wrongs make a right. I follow you.

I don't. Like you said, you could point fingers at either party... both are to blame. And unless people no longer stand for where the government is leading our nation, again regardless of party, it will never change. Im not saying BO is or is not the cause or root of all government evils... but hes made some extremely poor decisions. His administration is very aggressive when it comes to people speaking out... I believe, even more so than previous administrations. Prism is just a slice of the pie... bigger fish to fry would be Benghazi and funding the war in Libya, which I find both to be impeachable and my stance would be the same if Bush, Clinton or Tom Thumb was in office.

Your whole diatribe is unmitigated bullshit. FISA has been doing this for decades plus, Reagan and both Bushs' could have been impeached on much firmer ground. Get over it..it's the future of this country.

Bush II had at least 6 maybe 8 Benghazis. Lied through their teeth about Iraq, Bi laden and Al Quada. Bush deliberately outed a CIA field agent because her husband exposed the lie.

You must also feel that Obama could have handled Katrina a whole lot better...right ?

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 2:36:40 AM

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Oh okay... so you believe two wrongs make a right. I follow you.

I don't. Like you said, you could point fingers at either party... both are to blame. And unless people no longer stand for where the government is leading our nation, again regardless of party, it will never change. Im not saying BO is or is not the cause or root of all government evils... but hes made some extremely poor decisions. His administration is very aggressive when it comes to people speaking out... I believe, even more so than previous administrations. Prism is just a slice of the pie... bigger fish to fry would be Benghazi and funding the war in Libya, which I find both to be impeachable and my stance would be the same if Bush, Clinton or Tom Thumb was in office.

Your whole diatribe is unmitigated bullshit. FISA has been doing this for decades plus, Reagan and both Bushs' could have been impeached on much firmer ground. Get over it..it's the future of this country.

Bush II had at least 6 maybe 8 Benghazis. Lied through their teeth about Iraq, Bi laden and Al Quada. Bush deliberately outed a CIA field agent because her husband exposed the lie.

You must also feel that Obama could have handled Katrina a whole lot better...right ?

Those little things above are called words and if you read them, you would find I would likely agree with your statements. And what the hell does Katrina have to do with it? Lol.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 3:19:32 AM

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Hmmm...I've seen a lot of rotten fish, and they've always rotted from the innards outward.

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RE: Needs BUG SPRAY, and lots of it - 8/26/2013 5:40:38 AM

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I agree, Congress being locked up can be a good thing And i fully agree, they dont give two squats what the people want. I do however disagree with "we"... "We" wrote in and when we're offered moroons at state level that gets left blank. We rally and are active in our community but refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. So for our family its more than just lip service.

"We" doesnt mean your little family.... ffs.

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I think any discussion of the economy improving since hes been in office is crazy. Look at anything From 2008 .. milk, cheese, coffee, gas. How much were those items compared to now? But I get it, he inherited all of it... this administration hasnt "grown" it. ;)

Gas prices were at their highest 2008. Bread 2011, Milk 2008, Coffee 2012.... Now, explain to me how items that can be greatly influenced by both the climate, the growth seasons, and the stock market, are the blame of the administration?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap

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I know many who dont care how we get "there" and are simply result focused. BUT it does matter! You cant have the gov strong arming small businesses and expect them to flourish. Didn't Stalin believe something similar?

And just how is this strong arming happening?

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Obamacare... one concern I see with OC is we are now seeing many employers cut hours so they don't have yo pay for it. I don't know one state where OC has saved money. Do you? Hospitals and insurance companies wrote it... all he did was say it was mandatory. "Its not a tax, its not a tax". Lol. Until Holdersays "its a tax so there should be no problem". Grrr.

Yes.

People who are insured are already receiving preventive medicine benefits without deductibles or co-payments due to the Affordable Care Act, the statement said.

"Millions of Americans with Medicare and private insurance have seen their out-pocket costs go down to zero for recommended preventive care like flu shots or cancer screenings now covered with no cost sharing under the law," the statement. said. "This puts more money back into people's pockets, while making sure they get the preventive care they need," the White House said.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/03/23/US-ACA-already-saving-money-for-insured/UPI-95641332548740/#ixzz2d4vDfxAW

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