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jlf1961 -> Irony (8/25/2013 7:42:55 PM)
There was a measles outbreak in Texas over the last couple of weeks, and the health officials traced it back to a church... The irony is that the megachurch is anti-vaccine. quote: Texas Measles Outbreak Traced To Anti-Vaccine Megachurch A dangerous measles outbreak has been traced to a megachurch in Texas whose leader told followers to stay away from vaccines. Terri Pearsons, the daughter of prominent televangelist Kenneth Copeland, and the leader of Eagle Mountain International Church in Newark, Texas, has long warned followers to stay away from vaccines, promoting the idea that they cause autism. The un-vaccinated congregation was recently put in danger when a member left the country and came in contact with measles. They then returned to Texas, where they interacted with the congregation, as well as handled children in the church's on-site day-care center. Source Now the leaders of the church are calling for members to get vaccinated.

tazzygirl -> RE: Irony (8/25/2013 7:53:52 PM)
Fucking idiots.

WebWanderer -> RE: Irony (8/25/2013 9:15:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne vaccines never saved anyone And the giant drop in polio rates was caused by massive prayer efforts as opposed to nationwide vaccination campaign?

MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Irony (8/25/2013 9:35:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There was a measles outbreak in Texas over the last couple of weeks, and the health officials traced it back to a church... The irony is that the megachurch is anti-vaccine. quote: Texas Measles Outbreak Traced To Anti-Vaccine Megachurch A dangerous measles outbreak has been traced to a megachurch in Texas whose leader told followers to stay away from vaccines. Terri Pearsons, the daughter of prominent televangelist Kenneth Copeland, and the leader of Eagle Mountain International Church in Newark, Texas, has long warned followers to stay away from vaccines, promoting the idea that they cause autism. The un-vaccinated congregation was recently put in danger when a member left the country and came in contact with measles. They then returned to Texas, where they interacted with the congregation, as well as handled children in the church's on-site day-care center. Source Now the leaders of the church are calling for members to get vaccinated. Two people in My life have had terrible effects from Measles. One friend from childhood had measles with a very high fever for several days and it affected his thought capacity. He was a pretty sharp kid originally, but after he had measles was never the same and had to stay behind a grade. Another was an employee of Mine. Her mother had measles when pregnant with her, and she was born DEAF. The way I see it, people who live in society have a responsibility to help control the spread of disease amongst the rest of the population, be it flu or debilitating infections. SOCIALIZING FREELY WHILE INFECTED WITHOUT NOTIFYING PEOPLE THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH IS NEGLIGENCE. Hell, if I just have the flu I stay home so I don't spread it to others. I wish others would have the same consideration. I have to agree with tazzygirl, "Fucking idiots" is right.

DsBound -> RE: Irony (8/25/2013 10:23:27 PM)
There's many out there that are against government forced vaccines. It's a personal choice for sure but some vaccines can be a necessary evil, especially if you work with the public. Personally I think we over vaccinate.

TheHeretic -> RE: Irony (8/25/2013 10:35:50 PM)
Funniest thing I've seen all day... Of course, it was a fairly depressing day.

Phydeaux -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 2:10:24 AM)
Until you can control who you spread the disease to, vaccines are not a personal choice.

DsBound -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 2:46:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Until you can control who you spread the disease to, vaccines are not a personal choice. That's a little dramatic. Of course they are... Look at all the vaccines that they push, its not just measle or mumps. Big pharma is big business.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 3:13:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Until you can control who you spread the disease to, vaccines are not a personal choice. That's a little dramatic. Of course they are... Look at all the vaccines that they push, its not just measle or mumps. Big pharma is big business. It would help if you aimed your cynicism at an actual abuse. Nobody has gotten rich off a vaccine yet. Sales are ONE per customer, usually sold in highly discounted large batches to governments or NGOs. The money in Big Pharm is products that people buy and buy and buy. Like Viagra or pain relievers. The problem with vaccines is getting any big enough pharmaceutical company to work on one. Most do the numbers and are highly uninterested. Polio was obvious, everyone in my generation knew kids in our classes wearing braces. Or worse. Measles, and the other serious childhood diseases affected everyone. Only ignorant young people diss protection from them. We finally have a decent vaccine for the worst of the HPVs and idiots everywhere claim they promote immorality. When did cervical cancer become moral? Vaccines, infectious disease outbreak isolation, sewer systems and effectively clean public water supplies have lengthened the human life span, not medical interventions in individual trauma, infection and critical diseases. Preventing disease is the proper and efficient response, treatment is too expensive and often too little, too late. Bill Gates well understands this and seems to be trying to get the monkey of highly questionable fortune building off his back by financing the most serious effort yet to develop a vaccine for malaria, probably the biggest health issue currently in the third world.

Lucylastic -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 4:14:57 AM)
Its a shame they wont infect just themselves. Fucking idiots

Moonhead -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 4:29:34 AM)
This isn't irony, jlf: it's evolution in action. Natural selection, bitches! You may not believe in Darwin, but he's still pwned you...

tweakabelle -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:00:58 AM)
It seems to me that a quick course in critical thinking skills would be of benefit to these misguided self styled medical experts and the no doubt well intentioned idiots who pay attention to them. And of particular benefit to the unfortunate children of these poor souls. They could all benefit from learning how to identify and ignore quackery no matter how it disguises itself. Ooops! I forgot that they oppose teaching critical thinking skills ........ [8\|] I wonder why ........

DesideriScuri -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:02:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There was a measles outbreak in Texas over the last couple of weeks, and the health officials traced it back to a church... The irony is that the megachurch is anti-vaccine. quote: Texas Measles Outbreak Traced To Anti-Vaccine Megachurch A dangerous measles outbreak has been traced to a megachurch in Texas whose leader told followers to stay away from vaccines. Terri Pearsons, the daughter of prominent televangelist Kenneth Copeland, and the leader of Eagle Mountain International Church in Newark, Texas, has long warned followers to stay away from vaccines, promoting the idea that they cause autism. The un-vaccinated congregation was recently put in danger when a member left the country and came in contact with measles. They then returned to Texas, where they interacted with the congregation, as well as handled children in the church's on-site day-care center. Source Now the leaders of the church are calling for members to get vaccinated. What's ironic about an "anti-vaccine" church having an outbreak of measles? That seems to me like it would be almost expected. There are pro's and con's to vaccinations. Most vaccines have few to no negative health worries. Some are a personal choice, while some aren't. I am not sure if there is a religious exemption for my boys' school District, but there certainly was a form that had to be filled out by their physicians before they were allowed to attend.

Politesub53 -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:03:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Until you can control who you spread the disease to, vaccines are not a personal choice. Nice to see you are now a supporter of big government ~ Vince Cable.

leonine -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:41:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne why? vaccines never saved anyone well I had the charts in my database to prove it to ya but it looks like the mods are still using 286's. Please, find some way to present this revolution in medical science to the world. (Upload them to your own website and post the URL?) Because I'm always interested to hear from someone who can prove that something every doctor in the world believes (and imagines they have seen proved over all their and their predecessors' experience) is false. Until you can show these all-important charts, perhaps you could make a start by explaining the real reason for the end of smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella and whooping cough? Since it wasn't vaccination, was it the power of the free market, or the end of communism? Enquiring minds want to know.

tazzygirl -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:53:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound There's many out there that are against government forced vaccines. It's a personal choice for sure but some vaccines can be a necessary evil, especially if you work with the public. Personally I think we over vaccinate. Please do explain how some vaccines are a personal choice... which ones? Measles, Obviously not. Mumps, not according to you. Polio... hmmm... yeah.. we can use leg braces and iron lungs making a return. Chicken pox? Nope, people died from that too. The problem is that some nut case decided to make a name for himself, linked vaccines to autism by giving extremely tainted and false documentation to support his crack pot theme and the myth was born. We have people who are unable to take vaccinations for various reasons. Those people are now being exposed by the stupid twat league who "Dont want Johhny to get his shots because he may get autism". Even after the debunking, the trial, the fines, the loss of his license this whack job of a physician had to contend with because of his lies, people still believe his bullshit.

JeffBC -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 8:23:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Even after the debunking, the trial, the fines, the loss of his license this whack job of a physician had to contend with because of his lies, people still believe his bullshit. actually, I never believed the anti-shot people. I don't nowadays either. But what I DO believe is that big pharma is big business. I also believe that "studies" attesting to whatever and rubber stamped by the FDA don't fill me with confidence. So instead I find myself trying to make an informed risk decision with no real way to get at the data. So I opt for a conservative "unless it seems important don't shoot their shit in your veins".

tazzygirl -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 12:55:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Even after the debunking, the trial, the fines, the loss of his license this whack job of a physician had to contend with because of his lies, people still believe his bullshit. actually, I never believed the anti-shot people. I don't nowadays either. But what I DO believe is that big pharma is big business. I also believe that "studies" attesting to whatever and rubber stamped by the FDA don't fill me with confidence. So instead I find myself trying to make an informed risk decision with no real way to get at the data. So I opt for a conservative "unless it seems important don't shoot their shit in your veins". I dont go by "studies" for my opinion on this... not one's from the FDA anyways. Vaccines are about 1.5% of total pharmaceutical revenues, says VaccineEthics.org, a website run by the Penn Center for Bioethics. "We've had problems with vaccine supply because so few pharmaceutical companies are making vaccines anymore," Dr. Nelson says. (Three decades ago, more than 30 companies produced vaccines; today about five companies account for 80% of the market.) Its not the cash cow people believe it to be.

DomKen -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 5:19:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound There's many out there that are against government forced vaccines. It's a personal choice for sure but some vaccines can be a necessary evil, especially if you work with the public. Personally I think we over vaccinate. Please do explain how some vaccines are a personal choice... which ones? Measles, Obviously not. Mumps, not according to you. Polio... hmmm... yeah.. we can use leg braces and iron lungs making a return. Chicken pox? Nope, people died from that too. Even if you live through chicken pox you might still regret it later. My little brother is suffering through an outbreak of shingles which is caused by the same virus which hides out in your body for years. He's had it for a month and it's so painful that his doctor put him on oxycontin and he's still in severe pain. He's even been applying a topical cream with lidocaine and he's still suffering. Now if you've had Chicken Pox would you rather get the shingles vaccine or suffer through that hell? Would you rather your kids got both or just get them the chicken Pox vaccine?

JeffBC -> RE: Irony (8/26/2013 6:47:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its not the cash cow people believe it to be. Yeah, I don't think it's a "cash cow" although 1.5% of total revenue for an operation like Merck is nothing to sneeze at. I just have no doubts that some company like Merck would poison a few hundred thousand children for the sake of a boost in their quarterly. I have few doubts the FDA would approve such a thing. That means I must treat their product as untrustworthy.

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