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@DK

"Whose followers have a well documented history" is to be regarded as "means more than one follower has a history .... That is it."


Really now, imagine saying "The General, whose troops have a well documented history ..." means only "more than one of his troops has a well documented history ..."

The stupid, it burns.

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That is what it means. For instance "General Patton's troops had a well documented history of making swift advances" Does not mean all of his troops always made swift advances.

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That is what it means. For instance "General Patton's troops had a well documented history of making swift advances" Does not mean all of his troops always made swift advances.

Correct. Usually the KP staff arrived a bit late.
Then again, perhaps only two or three actually made swift advances out of his whole 3rd Army. The rest were in the rear with the gear.

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The stupid, it burns.

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From http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.


Really Obama? Really?


President Obama and his successors in the Oval Office are not obligated to make public the names of individuals visiting the White House, according to a decision of the federal Circuit Court for the District of Columbia made public Friday.

The case was brought by Judicial Watch, the government watchdog nonprofit that has been fighting a long legal battle seeking to force release of the White House visitor logs as public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

But in a decision that is drawing intense criticism from across the ideological spectrum, the circuit court said the president has a "constitutional perogative" not to tell the American people who he or his staff meets with in the White House.
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The court said the president has such a prerogative because he is not covered by the FOIA and because of "special policy considerations" that allow exemption of visitor logs from classification as agency records subject to release under the public records law.


People were hoping for better than Bush. We didn't get it. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact, appears the Nobel Peace Prize is looking to be the War Prize. Not surprising, when transparency is spelled secrecy.

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The President released some visitor's logs and they were immediately used to tell lies and fabricate conspiracy theories. Why would any chief executive continue such a practice after that? Who would go to a meeting where he is certain to be demonized by Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?

Name followers of either Beck or Jones who have well documented acts of violence. Or are you just spouting shit?

What lies were told due to any partial release of visitor logs?

Your statements!

Glenn Beck:
Byron Williams

Alex Jones:
Tamerlan Tsarneav
Richard Andrew Poplawski

Now for the lies told about the visitors logs
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/the-fake-story-about-the-irs-commissioner-and-the-white-house/276399/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/glenn-beck/beck-says-labor-leader-most-frequent-white-house-v/

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From http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.


Really Obama? Really?


President Obama and his successors in the Oval Office are not obligated to make public the names of individuals visiting the White House, according to a decision of the federal Circuit Court for the District of Columbia made public Friday.

The case was brought by Judicial Watch, the government watchdog nonprofit that has been fighting a long legal battle seeking to force release of the White House visitor logs as public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

But in a decision that is drawing intense criticism from across the ideological spectrum, the circuit court said the president has a "constitutional perogative" not to tell the American people who he or his staff meets with in the White House.
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The court said the president has such a prerogative because he is not covered by the FOIA and because of "special policy considerations" that allow exemption of visitor logs from classification as agency records subject to release under the public records law.


People were hoping for better than Bush. We didn't get it. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact, appears the Nobel Peace Prize is looking to be the War Prize. Not surprising, when transparency is spelled secrecy.

Ok then, so we can all agree that we *do not* have an unprecedented level of openess in government?

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Well, once again, a little fact checking exposes the bullshit.

Here's a quote from Byron Williams himself "Williams said that Beck advocates non-violence and that he had already researched the conspiracy theories that informed his alleged plot -- before seeing them "confirm[ed]" on Beck's show.

So he doesn't "follow" what Glen Beck preaches. So he can't be a follower, now, can he?

Just mirroring the news stories on Progressive media and media matters, as usual, Ken? Try reading or listening to something outside the left wing echo chambers.

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Ok then, so we can all agree that we *do not* have an unprecedented level of openess in government?

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Well, once again, a little fact checking exposes the bullshit.
Here's a quote from Byron Williams himself "Williams said that Beck advocates non-violence and that he had already researched the conspiracy theories that informed his alleged plot -- before seeing them "confirm[ed]" on Beck's show.
So he doesn't "follow" what Glen Beck preaches. So he can't be a follower, now, can he?
Just mirroring the news stories on Progressive media and media matters, as usual, Ken? Try reading or listening to something outside the left wing echo chambers.

Sure. Or the guy who tried to attack an obscure non profit that no one had ever heard of before Beck is lying to try and deflect the heat off Beck.
BTW Beck does routinely advocate violence and often uses violent rhetoric so claiming Beck is non violent is just silly.

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From http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.


Really Obama? Really?

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Well, once again, a little fact checking exposes the bullshit.
Here's a quote from Byron Williams himself "Williams said that Beck advocates non-violence and that he had already researched the conspiracy theories that informed his alleged plot -- before seeing them "confirm[ed]" on Beck's show.
So he doesn't "follow" what Glen Beck preaches. So he can't be a follower, now, can he?
Just mirroring the news stories on Progressive media and media matters, as usual, Ken? Try reading or listening to something outside the left wing echo chambers.

Sure. Or the guy who tried to attack an obscure non profit that no one had ever heard of before Beck is lying to try and deflect the heat off Beck.
BTW Beck does routinely advocate violence and often uses violent rhetoric so claiming Beck is non violent is just silly.

Bullshit. Beck does not advocate violence.

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Bullshit. Beck does not advocate violence.

He called for the eradication of progressives at CPAC in 2010.
http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-says-progressives-must-be-eradicated

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Here he did a "skit" where he "jokes" about poisoning Nancy Pelosi
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25906.html

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At a commencement speech at ultra right wing Liberty U he tells the grads to shoot to kill
http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/15/becks-advice-to-his-daughter-liberty-u-grads-in/164793

noun
1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

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Learn to love those that you don't even know, or that you don't even like.

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He discussed his desire to murder Michael Moore
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1136

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Bullshit. Beck does not advocate violence.

He called for the eradication of progressives at CPAC in 2010.
http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-says-progressives-must-be-eradicated

There are many ways to eradicate something. Violence is not the only way.

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Here he did a "skit" where he "jokes" about poisoning Nancy Pelosi
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25906.html

That was a stupid comment, no doubt. But, is he really advocating for violence? No.

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At a commencement speech at ultra right wing Liberty U he tells the grads to shoot to kill
http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/15/becks-advice-to-his-daughter-liberty-u-grads-in/164793

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noun
1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

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He discussed his desire to murder Michael Moore
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1136

That's not advocating violence either!

Over-reach much?

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Bullshit. Beck does not advocate violence.

He called for the eradication of progressives at CPAC in 2010.
http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-says-progressives-must-be-eradicated

There are many ways to eradicate something. Violence is not the only way.

Sure. Equating people to cancer and marking them for eradication is not a call for violence. What kind of fucking fool do you take me for?

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Here he did a "skit" where he "jokes" about poisoning Nancy Pelosi
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25906.html

That was a stupid comment, no doubt. But, is he really advocating for violence? No.

He expressed a desire to murder a sitting congresswoman. That's violent any way you look at it.

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At a commencement speech at ultra right wing Liberty U he tells the grads to shoot to kill
http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/15/becks-advice-to-his-daughter-liberty-u-grads-in/164793

Metaphor:

noun
1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

There was no metaphor. It was a simple declarative statement "shoot to kill" completely out of context with the surrounding admiitedly bizarre word salad.

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He discussed his desire to murder Michael Moore
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1136

That's not advocating violence either!
Over-reach much?

Saying how he could murder Moore himself is not violent? Since when is murder non violent?

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So in your opinion a man who wants to eradicate progressives, murder a film maker and a Congresswoman is not violent? What precisely would it take for him to be, in your opinion, advocating violence?

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So in your opinion a man who wants to eradicate progressives, murder a film maker and a Congresswoman is not violent? What precisely would it take for him to be, in your opinion, advocating violence?

I suppose you've never been so angry that you felt like choking someone (in a non-BDSM intent). Good on you.

Advocating violence, imo, requires more than what Beck said. And, in the body of work that I have heard (admittedly, it's been a couple years since I've been a regular listener), his calls for non-violent (aka peaceful) protests were all I ever heard. That is advocating non-violence. He was calling for his listeners to not be violent.