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Marini -> Any minute now (8/30/2013 8:52:07 PM)

I have not been following every or even many news reports.

But I did hear on the news tonight, that the US has ships near Syria, and that the US will take some sort of action, probably this weekend, or in the near future.

ugh

Any predictions?
Tonight, tomorrow, Sunday or Monday, anyone?

It's coming




TheHeretic -> RE: Any minute now (8/30/2013 10:01:55 PM)

He might wait until after the summit in Russia. It would sorta suck, if they arrested him as a war criminal. I doubt Putin has gotten past that dumbass, "bored schoolboy," insult President Obama tossed at him.




DsBound -> RE: Any minute now (8/30/2013 10:58:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I have not been following every or even many news reports.

But I did hear on the news tonight, that the US has ships near Syria, and that the US will take some sort of action, probably this weekend, or in the near future.

ugh

Any predictions?
Tonight, tomorrow, Sunday or Monday, anyone?

It's coming


I hope with the 9% approval rating they'll come to their senses... but im doubting that will happen.




DsBound -> RE: Any minute now (8/30/2013 11:02:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

He might wait until after the summit in Russia. It would sorta suck, if they arrested him as a war criminal. I doubt Putin has gotten past that dumbass, "bored schoolboy," insult President Obama tossed at him.

Being arrested as a war criminal will never happen, even if it was justified.

Off topic... I didn't think California allowed conservatives? [;)]




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Any minute now (8/30/2013 11:30:43 PM)

They want to build a big fence...
[sm=doh.gif]




Jeffisyourmaster -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 12:10:12 AM)

It's at this point I want a bomb shelter... or just a president that's not a complete fucking idiot. However, it's not Obama's decision to make, the Legislature must agree to war before war is actually commenced. So until then, it's all just ideal and otherwise empty threats.




Yachtie -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 6:16:28 AM)

FR -


If the American people are going to stop this war, they need to do it now. The following are 25 quotes about the coming war with Syria that every American should see...

1. Barack Obama, during an interview with Charlie Savage on December 20, 2007: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

2. Joe Biden, during a television interview in 2007: "The president has no constitutional authority ... to take this nation to war ... unless we're attacked or unless there is proof we are about to be attacked. And if he does, if he does, I would move to impeach him."

3. U.S. Representative Ted Poe: "Mr. President, you must call Congress back from recess immediately to take a vote on a military strike on Syria. Assad may have crossed a red line but that does not give you the authority to redline the Constitution."

4. U.S. Representative Kurt Schrader: "I see no convincing evidence that this is an imminent threat to the United States of America."

5. U.S. Representative Barbara Lee: "While we understand that as commander-in-chief you have a constitutional obligation to protect our national interests from direct attack, Congress has the constitutional obligation and power to approve military force, even if the United States or its direct interests (such as its embassies) have not been attacked or threatened with an attack."

6. The New York Times: "American officials said Wednesday there was no 'smoking gun' that directly links President Bashar al-Assad to the attack, and they tried to lower expectations about the public intelligence presentation."

7. U.S. Senator Rand Paul: "The war in Syria has no clear national security connection to the United States and victory by either side will not necessarily bring in to power people friendly to the United States."

8. U.S. Senator Tim Kaine: "I definitely believe there needs to be a vote."

9. Donald Rumsfeld: "There really hasn’t been any indication from the administration as to what our national interest is with respect to this particular situation."

10. Robert Fisk: "If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured – for the very first time in history – that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qa’ida."

11. Former congressman Dennis Kucinich: "So what, we’re about to become al-Qaeda’s air force now?"

12. Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem: "We have two options: either to surrender, or to defend ourselves with the means at our disposal. The second choice is the best: we will defend ourselves."

13. A Syrian Army officer: "We have more than 8,000 suicide martyrs within the Syrian army, ready to carry out martyrdom operations at any moment to stop the Americans and the British. I myself am ready to blow myself up against US aircraft carriers to stop them attacking Syria and its people."

14. Khalaf Muftah, a senior Ba'ath Party official: "We have strategic weapons and we’re capable of responding."

15. An anonymous senior Hezbollah source: "A large-scale Western strike on Syria will plunge Lebanon virtually and immediately into the inferno of a war with Israel."

16. Ali Larjiani, the speaker of the Iranian parliament: "...the country which has been destroyed by the terrorists during the past two years will not sustain so much damage as the warmongers will receive in this war."

17. Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "Starting this fire will be like a spark in a large store of gunpowder, with unclear and unspecified outcomes and consequences"

18. General Mohammad Ali Jafari, chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guards: (an attack on Syria) "means the immediate destruction of Israel."

19. Israeli President Shimon Peres: "Israel is not and has not been involved in the civil war in Syria, but if they try to hurt us, we will respond with full force."

20. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "We are not part of the civil war in Syria, but if we identify any attempt whatsoever to harm us, we will respond and we will respond in strength."

21. The Jerusalem Post: "The lines between Hezbollah and the Syrian regime are so blurred that Israel will hold Damascus responsible if Hezbollah bombards Israel in the coming days, Israeli officials indicated on Wednesday."

22. Ron Paul: "The danger of escalation with Russia is very high"

23. Pat Buchanan: "The sole beneficiary of this apparent use of poison gas against civilians in rebel-held territory appears to be the rebels, who have long sought to have us come in and fight their war."

24. Retired U.S. General James Mattis: "We have no moral obligation to do the impossible and harm our children’s future because we think we just have to do something."

25. Syrian refugee Um Ahmad: "Isn't it enough, all the violence and fighting that we already have in the country, now America wants to bomb us, too?"




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 6:20:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

He might wait until after the summit in Russia. It would sorta suck, if they arrested him as a war criminal. I doubt Putin has gotten past that dumbass, "bored schoolboy," insult President Obama tossed at him.



I thought that was off over Snowden, and it was going to be a much more lower level summit now, assistant to the assistant to the assistant cat's secretary of state type of thing.




hot4bondage -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 6:48:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I have not been following every or even many news reports.

But I did hear on the news tonight, that the US has ships near Syria, and that the US will take some sort of action, probably this weekend, or in the near future.

ugh

Any predictions?
Tonight, tomorrow, Sunday or Monday, anyone?

It's coming


According to the US Constitution and the War Powers Act as interpreted by many Democrats during the Bush administration (including Obama and Biden), Obama will have to wait for Congress to give him authority. [sm=pigsfly.gif]




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 6:52:31 AM)

No, no such thing was interpreted. Nor was it said, regardless of Brietbart spinning asswipe to the contrary.

See what was actually said, not what Brietbart and other nutsucking felchers said they said.




hot4bondage -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 7:10:09 AM)

From Obama's interview with Charlie Savage, December 20, 2007:

In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites -- a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

From Biden's 2007 interview with Chris Matthews:

Chris Matthews: You said that if the United States had launched at attack on Iran without Congressional approval, that would've been an impeachable offense. Do you want to review that comment you made?

Joe Biden: Absolutely. I want to stand by that comment I made. The reason I made the comment was as a warning. I don't say those things lightly, Chris. you've known me for a long time. I was Chairman of the Judiciary Committee for 17 years. I teach separation of powers in Constitutional law. This is something I know. So I brought a group of Constitutional scholars together to write a piece that I'm going to deliver to the whole United States Senate pointing out that the president HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to take this country to war against a country of 70 million people unless we're attacked or unless there is proof that we are about to be attacked. And if he does, I would move to impeach him. The House obviously has to do that, but I would lead an effort to impeach him. The reason for my doing that -- and I don't say it lightly, I don't say it lightly.




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 7:20:04 AM)

Yup, Obama was right. Here there is an imminent threat however, to us and the world.

Same with Biden, the president has no constitutional authority to take us to WAR. This will not be a war.


There is no war, but an imminent threat, since the use of chemical weapons is banned anywhere in this globe.




Yachtie -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 7:32:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yup, Obama was right. Here there is an imminent threat however, to us and the world.

Same with Biden, the president has no constitutional authority to take us to WAR. This will not be a war.

There is no war, but an imminent threat, since the use of chemical weapons is banned anywhere in this globe.


What is the imminent threat to the U.S.? By your logic, the only nuclear threat to the world, and therefore imminent and thus actionable (not war though), must be the U.S., because we're the only ones to have ever used them.

I swear, one would have to conclude that you find the Burka in Iran an imminent threat to the mini-skirt here in the U.S.




DarkSteven -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 7:41:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffisyourmaster

However, it's not Obama's decision to make, the Legislature must agree to war before war is actually commenced. So until then, it's all just ideal and otherwise empty threats.


You may have missed out on the Vietnam war. The very term "undeclared war" describes the situation.




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 7:47:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yup, Obama was right. Here there is an imminent threat however, to us and the world.

Same with Biden, the president has no constitutional authority to take us to WAR. This will not be a war.

There is no war, but an imminent threat, since the use of chemical weapons is banned anywhere in this globe.


What is the imminent threat to the U.S.?


By your logic, the only nuclear threat to the world, and therefore imminent and thus actionable (not war though), must be the U.S., because we're the only ones to have ever used them.

I swear, one would have to conclude that you find the Burka in Iran an imminent threat to the mini-skirt here in the U.S.


By your logic (oh, there is none present, even in trace amounts)

If you allow a chemical attack (which is illegal in the world) to go without answer, who is the next? We know that country is falling apart and are you one of those whiners about Libyan weapons spreading thru the mideast?

Who do you think the loose chemical weapons likely will be loosed upon?

Imminent threat.




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 8:12:37 AM)

We will not be dragged into another, it will go like Libya.

You never understood when I said ku, fu, chi, sui, ka.

That is what is required, and that is what I said at the outset of Iraq, if we do this, we have to see it thru, total war, and the entire area, it don't matter, we will kill many men, women, and children, and many, many innocents, but there is no half done, we are at war there somewhere, the rest of our lives, all because of Iraq.




TheHeretic -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 8:14:42 AM)

Given the state of Libya, I don't find that very comforting...




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 8:16:53 AM)

I added as well while you posted Rich. Nevertheless, none of this is comforting and all of it is eventually like Iraq, run in, fuck it up, shake the dice and hope someday it comes out mostly right. But that is a generation or two down the road from such as you and I.




hot4bondage -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 8:39:44 AM)

You claim that they didn't say what they said, so I found the direct quotes. Now you suggest they're not relevant?

It's amazing how some people can simultaneously hold such a broad definition of an imminent threat and such a narrow definition of war. If another country bombs the US, the definitions aren't murky. It's an act of war. Let's be consistent.




mnottertail -> RE: Any minute now (8/31/2013 8:42:54 AM)

quote:


You claim that they didn't say what they said, so I found the direct quotes.


No, I claimed they didn't say what the nutsuckers said they said, and your direct quotes confirm it.

Note imminent threat in the statement by Obama, not the case with Iran, but the case in Syria.
Note the word war in Bidens sentence.


An act of war does not a war make in our country. Only congress declares war.




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