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Zonie63 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:07:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne


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ORIGINAL: theshytype

I want to play!

You might be American if...

at the first mention of Turkey, you immediately think about the gluttonous feast in November.


For me, Turkey brings up the Ottoman Empire and this lovely yarn I am working with.


I work with someone who immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq, and there was a conversation where the word "ottoman" came up. Someone said something like "he had his feet up on the ottoman while watching TV," and my co-worker was wondering what it meant, since his first thought was the Ottoman Empire. I explained to him that after America single-handedly defeated the Ottoman Empire in World War I, it was considered a status symbol for Americans to have their own Ottoman at home to put their feet on while relaxing. [;)]





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:22:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I work with someone who immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq, and there was a conversation where the word "ottoman" came up. Someone said something like "he had his feet up on the ottoman while watching TV," and my co-worker was wondering what it meant, since his first thought was the Ottoman Empire. I explained to him that after America single-handedly defeated the Ottoman Empire in World War I, it was considered a status symbol for Americans to have their own Ottoman at home to put their feet on while relaxing. [;)]

Interesting that you credit the use of the word because the Americans defeated the Ottoman Empire in WW1.
In fact, it's use, as a padded footstool, was centuries before that and would have been in use when the pilgrims first invaded the US.

Merriam Webster
Main Entry:ottoman
Pronunciation:**-t*-m*n
Function:noun
Date:1605

1 capitalized
a : a member of a Turkish dynasty founded by Osman I that ruled the Ottoman Empire
b : a citizen or functionary of the Ottoman Empire
2 [French ottomane, from feminine of ottoman, adjective]
a : an upholstered often overstuffed seat or couch usually without a back
b : an overstuffed footstool
3 : a heavy clothing fabric characterized by pronounced crosswise ribs


ETA: I'm guessing that it got it's name from the Ottoman Empire where the rich silks and other exotic/luxurious fabrics came from when the French started making this type of furniture; though I can't find a direct quote for this.




Kana -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:46:19 AM)

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Sadly we americans are a nation of homicidal maniacs, hysterical sociopaths and many more such pyschiatric and pyschiological disorder types!

You know, just like everyone else.

This uniqueness that people think they see, in nation states, religions, sexual orientations, political parties, whatever, it's the single most divisive thing in the modern world. This thought that one is better/worse than others is false. We operate out of the same primal driving emotions that men have had since the first ape descended from the trees.
Face it, we all share the same experience, the human one.
Maybe it's time to start looking at commonalities instead of differences, because there's a whole lot of the prior and very few of the latter....




metamorfosis -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:46:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chancedestiny
Well two posts have proven a point so far. Sadly we americans are a nation of homicidal maniacs, hysterical sociopaths and many more such pyschiatric and pyschiological disorder types!


Just for the record.

This forum is occasionally accused of being hostile to non-Americans. I remember descrite's anti-European comments inspired a whole thread (and a good deal of self righteous gnashing of teeth) in collarme refugees.

I didn't think his comments warranted being pulled just as I don't think this OP's comments warrant being pulled. This is a forum and people have the right to express their political views, no matter how stupid those views may be.

Now, the OP is obviously trolling and not making any serious political commentary, but I'd just wanted to point that out. No one is threatening to delete their account because chancedestiny's silly threads are let stand.




metamorfosis -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:51:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682
Chance, I really like what you haven't had to say in the last few post's here. Did you know of another American right? The right to remain silent?


That one's quoteworthy too.




dcnovice -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:54:03 AM)

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Interesting that you credit the use of the word because the Americans defeated the Ottoman Empire in WW1.

I'm pretty sure Zonie was joking.




kiwisub12 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 8:58:10 AM)

Ya know, it must be very disturbing to have to live in a country where you despise and dislike the majority of the citizenry. I think I feel sorry for the OP.

I think.

Of course, he really does seem to enjoy his vitriolic hatred.




metamorfosis -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 9:03:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
Ya know, it must be very disturbing to have to live in a country where you despise and dislike the majority of the citizenry.


I have the feeling he doesn't.




kiwisub12 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 9:06:35 AM)

Yeah? There have been a couple of posters that seem to think he has had several reincarnations on cm, so perhaps country of origin is one of the variables.




tazzygirl -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 9:08:05 AM)

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Ya know, it must be very disturbing to have to live in a country where you despise and dislike the majority of the citizenry. I think I feel sorry for the OP.


Bingo




Zonie63 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:15:26 AM)

I think America is one of the least understood nations on Earth. Even Americans don't really understand America. We've been making it up as we go along.

Even the name "America" comes into question. For Pete's sake, we named ourselves after an Italian navigator and mapmaker. Make no mistake, Amerigo Vespucci was a great man and worthy to have the continent named after him, but it was mainly geographical happenstance that we have the name "American." Canada and Mexico took Native names for their countries, and it sounds a bit awkward to call ourselves "United Statesians," although I've heard some people call us that. "American" may have been more of an artificial creation in order to unify different states which saw themselves as separate and distinct from other states.

What's in a name? An interesting side note is that the oldest and largest of the original colonies was Virginia, named after a Virgin Queen. If history had taken a different course and Virginia had taken over all the other colonies, then the entire country could have been called "Virginia."

It would have made it sound like we were all full of purity and goodness, and maybe there's a part of us that still sees ourselves that way. There's this image of America as being a righteous and decent nation and only wants to do good works in the world, such as spreading freedom and democracy. The belief is that if things go sour, it's not our fault, but it's only because these foreigners have corrupted us. [;)]

As for being quick-tempered, I see that as more an individual personality trait which isn't directly linked to a person's nationality or culture. Everybody has something which will push their buttons and cause them to react with quick anger, although it seems to vary from person to person, as well as from culture to culture. Things that might be insulting and provoke anger in our culture might not be the same in other cultures, and vice versa.

Even if we're talking stereotypes and imagery, I don't even see that Americans are really portrayed as easily goaded and quick to anger. Even the so-called "Ugly American" might be portrayed as greedy, arrogant, overly fussy, picky, condescending...but not really "angry" in the obvious sense. Other nationalities might be stereotyped as quick to anger or somewhat volatile. I've heard people talk about an "Irish temper," and just about every movie portrays Germans as these unyielding martinets who always yell and scream at everyone, as if they're in a state of permanent anger, unlike other nationalities which might be stereotyped as quick to anger over something explainable, like an insult or slight.

The English are often portrayed as not getting angry at anything, as if nothing fazes them at all. You can insult an English person and they might come up with some clever rejoinder in kind, but they don't really seem to get mad about it. But if you root for the wrong soccer team, then they want to beat you up.

I think most Americans can handle insults and don't really seem to be as volatile or quick-tempered as some might see us. I think certain recent developments might make us look as if we're more thin-skinned than we really are, such as political correctness and the general practice of rewording things to try to soften the language and make things seem not so bad. A word like "downsizing" doesn't sound quite so bad as "a lot of people are going to lose their jobs." Or terms like "collateral damage." There's a tendency in our culture to not want to say things as they really are, although I don't really think we're quick to anger.

Sometimes I think that Americans should be angry, but we're not angry enough.




Zonie63 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:22:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I work with someone who immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq, and there was a conversation where the word "ottoman" came up. Someone said something like "he had his feet up on the ottoman while watching TV," and my co-worker was wondering what it meant, since his first thought was the Ottoman Empire. I explained to him that after America single-handedly defeated the Ottoman Empire in World War I, it was considered a status symbol for Americans to have their own Ottoman at home to put their feet on while relaxing. [;)]

Interesting that you credit the use of the word because the Americans defeated the Ottoman Empire in WW1.


It was just a joke. I thought it would have been obvious.






PeonForHer -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:22:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Interesting that you credit the use of the word because the Americans defeated the Ottoman Empire in WW1.

I'm pretty sure Zonie was joking.


Of course he was joking. The Turks were actually defeated by Mel Gibson.




jlf1961 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:23:06 AM)

Zonie, I think you might have forgotten the uniquely American (according to some more civilized countries) anger issue referred to as road rage.

I mean I dont personally suffer from this malady (honest, I only want an armored vehicle with a working 90mm gun for duck hunting) I have seen people who do, and I honestly think some of them may one day stroke out (not me if I get the vehicle with the big gun... for duck hunting) there have even been instances where the person suffering from road rage pulls a gun and kills someone. Of course I have never reached that point (there always seems to be a cop around when some asshole cuts me off eliminating the possibility of gun play, for duck hunting.)




chatterbox24 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:25:58 AM)

United we stand, divided we fall.

I agree we should be angry, but angry about the right things. And angry doesn't mean violence, it means standing up in courage and boldness at the right times for the right things.




PeonForHer -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:26:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Zonie, I think you might have forgotten the uniquely American (according to some more civilized countries) anger issue referred to as road rage.


Nothing uniquely American about road rage, I can assure you. You don't exactly see drivers leaning out of their windows to kiss each other much here in the UK, either.




theshytype -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:47:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

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Sadly we americans are a nation of homicidal maniacs, hysterical sociopaths and many more such pyschiatric and pyschiological disorder types!

You know, just like everyone else.

This uniqueness that people think they see, in nation states, religions, sexual orientations, political parties, whatever, it's the single most divisive thing in the modern world. This thought that one is better/worse than others is false. We operate out of the same primal driving emotions that men have had since the first ape descended from the trees.
Face it, we all share the same experience, the human one.
Maybe it's time to start looking at commonalities instead of differences, because there's a whole lot of the prior and very few of the latter....


Thank you!!!!!




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 10:58:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Zonie, I think you might have forgotten the uniquely American (according to some more civilized countries) anger issue referred to as road rage.


Nothing uniquely American about road rage, I can assure you. You don't exactly see drivers leaning out of their windows to kiss each other much here in the UK, either.

Have you seen some of the Italians??
Some of them are disgraceful... really really bad.
Drive round the ring road around Milan and see the road rage.... just about every other car on the road!
If the traffic is too slow or pauses for more than a second or two, the locals are leaning out the windows shouting & screaming and tooting their horns.
I've even seen fisticuffs when someone didn't pull out of a junction quick enough for the guy behind them.
I've also seen cars crunch the car in front & behind because they didn't leave enough parking space for the one trying to park - and I don't mean a gentle tap with the bumper either.

I've been to loads of places but I think the eye-ties are the worst for road rage.




Zonie63 -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 11:09:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Zonie, I think you might have forgotten the uniquely American (according to some more civilized countries) anger issue referred to as road rage.

I mean I dont personally suffer from this malady (honest, I only want an armored vehicle with a working 90mm gun for duck hunting) I have seen people who do, and I honestly think some of them may one day stroke out (not me if I get the vehicle with the big gun... for duck hunting) there have even been instances where the person suffering from road rage pulls a gun and kills someone. Of course I have never reached that point (there always seems to be a cop around when some asshole cuts me off eliminating the possibility of gun play, for duck hunting.)


I wouldn't really need a tank, just something more like a spy car. Perhaps some kind of hidden machine gun to deal with cars in front of me, and perhaps an oil slick with a smoke screen in the back. Maybe some surveillance equipment added on to monitor the other cars and avoid those who sing while they drive.

I don't know how much road rage is uniquely American, although I have no experience of driving in other countries to compare it to. But I guess it's just a matter of scarcity over a finite resource, too many cars and a limited supply of asphalt.

I've seen two guys almost come to blows over a parking space. It wasn't even their property, yet one guy thought he got there first had the right to park there over the other guy who was ready to fight for his right to not have to walk as far.

There was another instance I saw, although I'm not sure I would call it "road rage" per se. But I did see a driver at a railroad crossing, honking furiously and yelling at a train. The engine had already passed and I'm sure the engineer would not have been able to hear him, but this guy was pretty mad. I could understand his frustration, because I've gotten stuck at these train crossings where there's a tremendously long and slow-moving train that takes forever.




PeonForHer -> RE: American people are easily goaded and quick to temper- discuss! (9/1/2013 1:25:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Have you seen some of the Italians??


Italian driving is legendary, as is Indian, so I've heard. [;)]




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