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That would be a peurile ignorant opinion as opposed to the fact that unions help labor and that seems to offend those who would seek to return to slavery.

Slavery? Is that the only argument you have in support of Unions?

Have a good day, Mr. Irrelevant.

When management dictates wages and work conditions that is the definition of slavery.
Mr irrelevant?????I realize that name calling,for some,is the highest level of intelectual discourse.

Sorry, but that is not really slavery, because after management dictates their terms for wages and working conditions, an employee can refuse those terms and quit. A slave does not get to quit.

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Slavery? Is that the only argument you have in support of Unions?

Sign me up for irrelevance then because I think that connection is pretty obvious. In this day & age of corporatism it seems to me that labor had better get it's act together because capital surely has. You are aware, right, that corporations lie, cheat, and steal from their employees with impunity. They both break the law and bend it in ways which are astonishing. Even worse, they write the freakin laws.
So you tell me... if not organized labor then where is the fight going to come from? Or is it that you believe in corporatism and the unfettered power of... well... power.

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Unions were necessary.
Much of what Unions originally fought for have been coded into labor regulations.
Unions are necessary. That was the point.

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What Unions are fighting for now and what they originally fought for are quite different.

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What Unions are fighting for now and what they originally fought for are quite different.

That would be your unsubstantiated opinion.

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Unions were necessary.
Much of what Unions originally fought for have been coded into labor regulations.
Unions are necessary. That was the point.

You made a claim that my statement was a false premise. Yet, the statement you cited as a false premise wasn't a claim I made. You can disagree with my statement and make your own claims that Unions are still necessary. Just don't misrepresent.

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But, yes, I guess you have a point and I can see where it could be considered a misrepresentation.
I do apologize.

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That would be a peurile ignorant opinion as opposed to the fact that unions help labor and that seems to offend those who would seek to return to slavery.

Slavery? Is that the only argument you have in support of Unions?

Have a good day, Mr. Irrelevant.

When management dictates wages and work conditions that is the definition of slavery.
Mr irrelevant?????I realize that name calling,for some,is the highest level of intelectual discourse.

Sorry, but that is not really slavery, because after management dictates their terms for wages and working conditions, an employee can refuse those terms and quit. A slave does not get to quit.

Then the employee can eat dirt and sleep in the gutter...
Slaves can quit...all you have to do is quit breathing.

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DC, unions, as many have stated, had their purpose, and they provided that purpose well and good but, today unions are operated by thugs. They demand and extract tithes, much of which is spent on their gain....not yours.

That logic would require us to disband congress,are you in favor of that? Well, there are some who might find that appealing.

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I won't go into the details...many would refute them (I lived them) for their own purposes....if a union would provide me with employees that could produce value in accord to their cost....I'd be all over it...but they can't, they don't and...they don't even try.

It is quite difficult to secure journeyman level labor for minimum wage. Are you in favor of a minimum wage? If not then that would be prima facia evidence that you wish to hire labor for less than minimum wage...unions were created to deal with scum like that.

Well, considering I never said any such thing (nor did I even suggest such a thing), I'd think that was a bit of a (convoluted) stretch.

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I've told this story before but,

It was a bullshit story the first time and it has not got any better with the repeated telling.

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Unions don't give a shit about you...they give a shit about unions.

You ain't the union....you are nothing more than a cog.

(Who are more often than not...in the way).

So labor would be better off without a union to negotiate for them?
That worked out not so well in the past why do you think it will do better now?

Yes, today they would, and in fact, are. 60 years ago...no.

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That would be a peurile ignorant opinion as opposed to the fact that unions help labor and that seems to offend those who would seek to return to slavery.

Slavery? Is that the only argument you have in support of Unions?

Have a good day, Mr. Irrelevant.

When management dictates wages and work conditions that is the definition of slavery.
Mr irrelevant?????I realize that name calling,for some,is the highest level of intelectual discourse.

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Oh, I understood what you were saying. But, many people see government as a "necessary evil." The lack of government would lead to significant strides towards anarchy. Government is necessary. Unions were necessary. Much of what Unions originally fought for have been coded into labor regulations. Ending Unions won't repeal those regulations.

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That would be a peurile ignorant opinion as opposed to the fact that unions help labor and that seems to offend those who would seek to return to slavery.

Slavery? Is that the only argument you have in support of Unions?

Have a good day, Mr. Irrelevant.

When management dictates wages and work conditions that is the definition of slavery.
Mr irrelevant?????I realize that name calling,for some,is the highest level of intelectual discourse.

Sorry, but that is not really slavery, because after management dictates their terms for wages and working conditions, an employee can refuse those terms and quit. A slave does not get to quit.

Then the employee can eat dirt and sleep in the gutter...
Slaves can quit...all you have to do is quit breathing.

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Unions were necessary.
Much of what Unions originally fought for have been coded into labor regulations.
Unions are necessary. That was the point.

You made a claim that my statement was a false premise. Yet, the statement you cited as a false premise wasn't a claim I made. You can disagree with my statement and make your own claims that Unions are still necessary. Just don't misrepresent.

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What Unions are fighting for now and what they originally fought for are quite different.

That would be your unsubstantiated opinion.

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Where were the unions when Wal-Mart tried to strike a few months back? Just last week, I saw that some fast-food employees in various locations were going on strike, but why don't I see any unions stepping up to go to bat for these people? Where are they, and what are they doing to improve wages and working conditions for American workers

Since those companies are non union how exactly is the union suppose to help them?

That's no excuse. They can still help them organize. How do you think it was for the early labor leaders? They were going up against non-union companies and took the risks. Are you saying that the union leaders today are nothing but a bunch of pussies? Yeah, I can believe that, but there's hardly anything worth liking, is there? "Oh it's non-union company, we can't do anything." What a load of bullshit. If they had a set of balls and an imagination, they could think of something, couldn't they?

Unions are more about their members, than about the American worker.

"Buy American" was really "Buy Union."

That's the only way it could be. My Dad was chided by a sales guy about having two "foreign" cars in his driveway if he bought a Toyota instead of the Charger the sales guy was trying to get him to buy. Since the Charger was final assembly in Canada, and the Toyota was made in America, the Toyota was actually built by the "American Worker." My Mom's Toyota was made by the American Worker, too. (He still bought the Charger because that was the car he really wanted.)

They'll point out that Toyota's, Honda's, etc. are "foreign-owned" manufacturers, so that's why they aren't American. Yet, when it was "Daimler-Chrysler," Chryslers, Dodge's and Jeeps weren't "foreign-owned" brands. Same goes for Fiat owning Chrysler now.

There are Unions that work hard for their members and earn every penny they get in dues. I do not doubt that at all. But, there are others that work hard for their Union hierarchy at the expense of their members, too.

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So, essentially, those intimidated into not voting are voting in favor of the union.

Any validation for this insipid horse shit?

Try to follow the logic, Thompson. Des!!!! That's a stretch!!!!

A vote to decertify requires majority of members (as opposed to majority of voters), right? If there are 5,000 members, then, 2501 votes are needed to decertify; 50%+1 of all members.

1,000 members don't vote. That means, you need 62.5% +1 (2,500/4,000 +1 vote)of the voters to vote for decertification. 1,000 non-votes are effectively votes to maintain certification.