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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:12:53 PM   
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Then why make the fucking thing over and over and over as you are doing?
You dont get revenge porn being criminal either, you dont get so very much in life.


I think you have mistaken the object of the statement I agreed with.



No, and I could care less.


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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:16:12 PM   
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We have used white phosphorous in grenades and bombs for flash and bang and illumination since christ was a corporal, probably.

We had them in vietnam.

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:32:02 PM   
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Then why make the fucking thing over and over and over as you are doing?
You dont get revenge porn being criminal either, you dont get so very much in life.

I think you have mistaken the object of the statement I agreed with.

No, and I could care less.


It's obvious you "could care less." If not, why are you even going on with it?


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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:34:22 PM   
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Then why make the fucking thing over and over and over as you are doing?
You dont get revenge porn being criminal either, you dont get so very much in life.

I think you have mistaken the object of the statement I agreed with.

No, and I could care less.


It's obvious you "could care less." If not, why are you even going on with it?



I see your comprehension is becoming less by the instant.


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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:36:55 PM   
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Then why make the fucking thing over and over and over as you are doing?
You dont get revenge porn being criminal either, you dont get so very much in life.

I think you have mistaken the object of the statement I agreed with.

No, and I could care less.

It's obvious you "could care less." If not, why are you even going on with it?

I see your comprehension is becoming less by the instant.


Or, it isn't.

So, could you care less what I agreed with, or could you not care less about what I agreed with? Very different statements.


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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/4/2013 1:56:55 PM   
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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 1:52:58 AM   
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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 6:03:23 AM   
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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 11:28:33 AM   
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Yeah, fb has faux all over it in the folks you hang out with. Yanno, McCain said he was a war criminal, magic underpants said he cared, the nutsuckers said they were the party of fiscal responsibility, they said they passed a budget, they said they repealed Obamacare, the nutsuckers have brought us jobs.......


Which is why I get my news from more than just the links appearing in my FB feed and here.

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But Obama hasn't ever quite said what you have said he said, it is mostly spin.


Huh?

Did you listen to what he said?
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President Obama: "We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation. ... In a situation this this volatile, I wouldn't say I'm absolutely confident, what I'm saying is that we're monitoring that situation very carefully. We have put together a range of contingency plans. We have communicated in no uncertain terms, with every player in the region, that that's a red line for us. And, that there would be enormous consequences if we start to see movement on the chemical weapons front, or the use of chemical weapons. That would change my calculations, significantly."


You are saying that the video in the OP link (the second video; direct Youtube link here) doesn't clearly show Obama stating that use of chemical weapons is a red line for the US?

When did a direct quote become spin?




Last night on CNN, Anderson Cooper called out Obama trying to spin that he DIDN,T set a red line. Also played a clip of Obama stating the red line. Obama must believe that everyone is as gullible as Liberals and will believe anything he says.

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 11:33:02 AM   
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I have never been in favor of "rules of war". I think they are stupid and dangerous. So I'm content with being a part of that 2%.

That being said, I do believe in acting for "good" in the world. So if there was a concensus of opinion among world governments backed by military support I'd be in favor of HELPING to go clean up this mess.... assuming I heard a plan for some sort of "win". Just going in and bombing the shit out of some hapless civilians doesn't strike me as much of a plan.

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 11:48:37 AM   
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What a govt did in my name only counts if it was "in my name"
I have never been in favor of "rules of war". I think they are stupid and dangerous. So I'm content with being a part of that 2%.
That being said, I do believe in acting for "good" in the world. So if there was a concensus of opinion among world governments backed by military support I'd be in favor of HELPING to go clean up this mess.... assuming I heard a plan for some sort of "win". Just going in and bombing the shit out of some hapless civilians doesn't strike me as much of a plan.


Define the "consensus of opinion" that would garner your support, please.

I oppose the US deciding to go in without clear authorization and military support from the UN and other countries. The UN won't be able to give the authorization because that has to come from UNSC and Russia will likely prevent it from going anywhere with their veto.

IMO, we don't have the authority to go into Syria and do anything about what is going on without UN authorization.


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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:14:56 PM   
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98% of the globe are signatories to the Geneva Conventions, and how did Obama set the red line? I mean, he pointed out that the red line was crossed. . .

Why is the attempt to make it about Obama?, it is about an action that was outlawed by the world.

Pure spinola.

A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. ~Obama (video)

For us, whether on not 98% of the world agrees:

We go on to reaffirm that the President has set a clear red line as it relates to the United States that the use of chemical weapons or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups is a red line that is not acceptable to us, nor should it be to the international community. It's precisely because we take this red line so seriously that we believe there is an obligation to fully investigate any and all evidence of chemical weapons use within Syria. ~The White House

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:18:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		A red line for us (that would be Obama the President of the United States)
he President has set a clear red line as it relates to the United States (that from the white house where the President of the United States lives)
and where is the one where he said I never said, A red line for us? NOthing remotely like it, what I said was....its all your fault.


so, I dont know what you are nattering on about but it is rather foolish in its blowholing.



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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:33:45 PM   
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A red line for us (that would be Obama the President of the United States)
he President has set a clear red line as it relates to the United States (that from the white house where the President of the United States lives)
and where is the one where he said I never said, A red line for us? NOthing remotely like it, what I said was....its all your fault.
so, I dont know what you are nattering on about but it is rather foolish in its blowholing.


From the OP.....

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Obama didn't set a red line.
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    "First of all, I didn't set a red line," said Obama. "The world set a red line. The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are [inaudble] and passed a treaty forbidding their use, even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty. Congress set a red line when it indicated that in a piece of legislation entitled the Syria Accountability Act that some of the horrendous things happening on the ground there need to be answered for. So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it."


Notice the link? It takes you to an article on The Weekly Standard website. Therein you'll find a video of Obama stating the quoted section.

Notice how the quote starts: "First of all, I didn't set a red line..."

Yet, he did set a red line. I don't know how you can continue on denying it. It's been shown to you several times now, with video of President Obama saying something and then denying saying it.

There certainly is some rather foolish, blowholing and nattering going on.

Edited to fix a format error.

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:35:58 PM   
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and where is the one where he said I never said, A red line for us? NOthing remotely like it...

First of all, I didn't set a red line ~Source

You are obviously working from a faux definition of "remotely".

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:36:23 PM   
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IMO, we don't have the authority to go into Syria and do anything about what is going on without UN authorization.

Agreed, although I suppose with enough support from all the other countries Id' blow off the UN. If we go with 400 countries in the world and 399 of them wanted to act and one was blocking it at the security council I'd feel morally fine.

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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		First of all, I didn't set a red line," said Obama. "The world set a red line.

I am gonna move some words around and keep the context.

First of all, I didn't set a red line, the world set a red line" said Obama. (and he preserves, protects and defends the constitution of the united states, and the united states thereby from all enemies........cmon you know this one)

He didnt say he didnt make the statement.

The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are [inaudble] and passed a treaty forbidding their use, even when countries are engaged in war.

He didnt say he didnt make the statement

Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty.

He didnt say he didnt make the statement

Congress set a red line when it indicated that in a piece of legislation entitled the Syria Accountability Act that some of the horrendous things happening on the ground there need to be answered for.

He didnt say he didnt make the statement

So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it."
So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it."
So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it."
So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it."

He didnt say he didnt make the statement

the line was repeated for the profoundly mentally handicapped cretins.

and its your faults?

He didnt make the statement





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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:48:03 PM   
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IMO, we don't have the authority to go into Syria and do anything about what is going on without UN authorization.

Agreed, although I suppose with enough support from all the other countries Id' blow off the UN. If we go with 400 countries in the world and 399 of them wanted to act and one was blocking it at the security council I'd feel morally fine.


So, might makes right; ignore that the Constitution gives us no authority and neither does anything else. The only authority will be a shit ton of others want us to be World Cop; that is, mob rule.




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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:51:15 PM   
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and where is the one where he said I never said, A red line for us? NOthing remotely like it...

First of all, I didn't set a red line ~Source

You are obviously working from a faux definition of "remotely".

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First of all, I didn't set a red line ~Source

You are obviously working from a faux definition of "remotely".


Excuse me, he did not say that, unless you said you liked fucking sheep. And I doubt that is the gist of either statement, his or yours.

I would have to think there was more to that sentence, than mincing, dishonest asswipe by Kirata.



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RE: If the US intervenes in Syria, it's all your faults... - 9/5/2013 12:53:43 PM   
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First of all, I didn't set a red line ~Source

Excuse me, he did not say that...

We're talking about here on Earth, Ron.

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