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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/5/2013 10:17:05 PM

LadyPact

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OP, would you consider going to a leather event? Once you do, would you be willing to come back to this thread to reveal your observations and how well they jive with your statements above?

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/5/2013 11:23:27 PM

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Well, well.

it is nice to see that we finally have information about fake lesbian profiles.

What are they created to bait poor little sub females.

Anyway, that is not the point, the focus must remain on the logic, there are plenty of benefits coming out of such an equation

If you are going to try and turn this into a logical debate, you are way off from the start. You stated your theory first, correctly. But in order to conclude any sort of logical argument, you need proof man. Where are your statistics to back up these "theories"? Where are the clinical studies, blind focus group surveys, hell even one lesbian dominant that agrees with you? Until you can substantiate the validity of your side of this debate, logic doesn't even come into it

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 12:09:05 AM

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I do think a lesbian could own a male slave and that could be a successful relationship. But as for lesbian's being the 'best' owners for male slaves...no.

1) People who want a service only arrangement are (it appears) less common that people who want an intimate relationship with their sub. Choosing a man would rule that out.
2) Most Mistresses do not keep their subs in long-term chastity. Doing so removes one function of the slave - fucking. It might please me to tie his hands behind his back too, but that will make him much less useful when the dishes need doing.
3) Many slaves do want sex. Many people into chastity and cuckolding have it as a fetish - ie, it's getting them off at least mentally. Someone without any sexual interest in their slave is more likely to be 'squicked' by indulging a fantasy all about his penis and balls.
4) What on earth makes you think no one would be jealous in this arrangement? I know my husband is 100% straight, but I'd be jealous if he suddenly took on a male slave and started keeping him in chastity. It's still a poly arrangement and many people are not wired for that.
5) Handing over the money is all well and good until the relationship ends and you suddenly have a complicated financial arrangement. More people = more complicated.

Seems to me that if you just need a dominant who isn't sexually interested in you, you could also go for a straight man. Won't matter since there's no sex etc. Or is it only the woman's sexuality that's irrelevant, and the slave gets to decide his?

OP - If you want a lesbian mistress, go search for her and I wish you luck. But may I suggest a good healthy dose of reality? Go to munches and events, meet real people who do this in the flesh. Your post and profile is full of how people should run their relationships and a somewhat skewed idea of how Mistresses and Slaves behave. You come across as someone who has watched a lot of porn and read some steamy erotica and developed some pretty severe misconceptions.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 12:45:35 AM

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so you see, it would be the perfect match

Did you type all of that using one hand? Impressive.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 3:58:47 AM

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slaves do not want sex anyway, so where lies the danger....interogation point....

I want sex. In fact, I wanted it twice today.

Show off.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 6:46:57 AM

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slaves do not want sex anyway, so where lies the danger....interogation point....

Apparently YOU do not want sex. I find it strange that you would speak for other slaves unless you have taken a poll to determine what the majority of slaves want or don't want. Do you have any data to support your theory that slaves do not want sex?

I think it's normal for any human being to want sex, although the impression that I've gotten from some profiles and posts here, male slaves and subs aren't supposed to want sex. There's a common complaint that all these guys want is sex, which leads to labels of "fake" or "do me subs."

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 7:31:24 AM

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We see more and more lesbians on collarme who do not want any contacts with males.

Maybe that's because so many men on here don't seem to understand what a lesbian is and send mail begging for attention.

I would understand such a strategy in the vanilla arena, but if you think about it, lesbians would make the best male slave owners.

Why would I want a slave without a pussy? I like pussy.

First, it is now a fact, that most Mistresses keep their slaves in chastity, so their is very few chances they will ever get sex again.

A fact according to who? I see a lot of threads about chastity but the majority of dommes I know in real life like to play with dicks and think chastity is a waste of time.

Second, most slaves are not jealous, so a Mistress can have a lover whether it is a female or a male.

If that was agreed on then yes they can. But I fail to see why that would make them want a male.

Third, most slaves give their income to their owners, so that would be a plus for the bank accounts of lesbians.

Not the ones I know. Personally I don't need a slave to support myself and if I did I would still want to fuck her from time to time so a male still would not have the right parts.

Fourth, if a normal woman wants slaves, she will probably have opposition from Master or any other male who is courting her, while lesbians cannot be jealous of a man wearing locks on his penis

A normal woman? Interesting term there. But I agree a lesbian is not likely give a flying fuck about a lock on some guys dick.

so you see, it would be the perfect match

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 7:32:59 AM

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slaves do not want sex anyway, so where lies the danger....interogation point....

You may not want sex but I doubt you speak for most.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 8:56:05 AM

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I'm a slave.

I have money. When we move in together we will combine our incomes and some of it will be mine. It won't be 'his', it will be 'ours'. That's the way he and I want it.

He loves sex. So do I. We have sex and both rather enjoy it.

You seem to be a service-oriented male who's into chastity. It's good that you've figured out what works for you. But what works for you most certainly doesn't work for everyone.

Sweeping generalisations are really a waste of pixels round here.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 9:44:54 AM

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What are they created to bait poor little sub females.

Two prong reasoning:

1) The gay/lesbian community, in general, is smaller than the hetero community. So, it makes sense that the number of same sex partners available in D/s BDSM is lower. Then take into the account that the lipstick Lesbian seems to be a brass ring within those communities. It seems reasonable that the desperation level among some of that community might be high enough for some to fall for the scam.

2) Male "s" types tend to not give a crap about who they approach to fulfill their fantasies. Hell, I get a couple of emails a day from male subs/slaves....and I'm submissive and married. So, they email the Lesbian profiles anyway, begging. Then the Lesbian profile relents....but has requirements, which usually involves money.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 10:46:34 AM

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I think OP has everything ass-backwards.

From my limited experience, every single premise he's put forward seems to be the opposite of my experience.
And by the looks of the majority of the answers here, it seems most replies are similar to mine.

It's great that he's found his own niche in the kink field. Kudos to him.
But that field is certainly very niche because it doesn't seem to fit the 'norm' for his initial argument.

Op's first 'fact'.
Really?? Most chastity I see is only a scene or role-play, nothing really long term for most cases.
And he doesn't provide any proof or citation other than his own personal opinion.

I have certainly seen/heard many instances where one slave's jealousy has upset a poly apple-cart.
To assume that just because they are slave means they are not jealous is really pushing the boat out.
That's #2 blown clean away.

And most slaves do not give their income to their domme either.
That only happens within a findomme/finsub arrangement.
Given the wide scope of BDSM, that's a pretty small minority.
Number 3 now dismissed.

I think #4 is a complete misnomer. lol.
You make the assumption the a female wanting slaves also has another D or M type over her and is male.
Yet your initial post applies to lesbian women.
I don't actually know any lesbian women that would even think about a male anything - except to ridicule them.
So that's sunk #4.

Sorry OP, you have provided no data or citation to show that your particular kink is in fact 'normal' or usual or even a 'fact' like you stated.
It sure as fuck doesn't apply to 'most' as you seem to think.

Are we sure this isn't the usual Friday WUT???

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 11:14:26 AM

DanielleofMists

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ORIGINAL: forgiveme

slaves do not want sex anyway, so where lies the danger....interogation point....

Well shit! I didn't get this memo...

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 2:36:30 PM

LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: DanielleofMists
Well shit! I didn't get this memo...

If I would have been KoM, I'd have hidden it from you, too.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 4:22:06 PM

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facts, facts, facts...

We cannot have a serious debate on slavery within a BDSM arena, since the term BDSM has been twisted in so many ways, no adept can deliver the proper definition. By the way, the third letter of the label refers to a real person, but that is not what we are discussing here.

At this time, The focus must be on lesbians.

Most members of alternative sites are completely lost when it comes to debating slavery. That is because they are like the bubble boy in Seinfeld, caught in their own little world.

Slavery has always been associated to income. One must watch GONE WITH THE WIND or ROOTS, to understand how life was for slaves on plantations. Believe history, it was not about SEX, it was about producing income for the owners. The more one had slaves, the more one became wealthy, and the father of the U.S.A. as most call him, WASHINGTON, had slaves and it was not for sexual reasons.

OK, so the North defeated the South and that lifestyle is GONE WITH THE WIND.

What remains of it however, is a multitude of actors who probably, because of guilt tied to a sinful past, want to bounce in role play.

EXIT TO EDEN portrays this behavior well.

But claiming that the past was sinful is tricky, Aristotle tried to help us. He discovered such a thing as a natural born slave and when revolutions removed a ruling class, the masses were as quickly enslaved by new Masters...

So, what happens throughout history, is that some people are bright enough to take advantage of the natural born slaves and that advantage amounts to the SURPLUS value mentioned by KARL MARX.

So the facts are there about slavery and income, it was/is glued together.

As for jealousy;

one simply has to watch the productions of the OWK to grasp that if 5 slaves are kneeling before one Goddess, then they are probably not jealous, if so, they would be out of the picture.

Most Ladies at the OWK really own those slaves and by reading some of their blogs, we can easily conclude that there is no sex going on at that level either.

The slaves are used in productions, to make Femdom clips and the money goes to the OWK, so in that sense, the slaves are AGAIN, used only for income.

Once upon a time, there was this fellow going by the name of WALT DISNEY, while Florida was not the best choice for real estate, he saw gold coming out of it. Hence, the dream of Disney is still there to remind people that sometimes visions from nerds (Bill Gates) go against popular opinions.

Thus Lesbians and male slaves would be the perfect match because I said so and years from now, many homes will be built under that model...GYNARCHY with a little twist.
Like Disney, I see this happening in the future.

The main reason is INCOME...

Female slaves if I understand what the members on here are telling me, make very good sex slaves....whoopy doo...
We are not talking about sex here, sex does not pay the rent, we are talking about income. Trying to get a female to surrender her income to owners is nearly impossible.
Men are much more generous than women, in fact, the whole economy of the world is standing on males spending on Ladies, restaurants, flowers, lingerie and so on..

I rest my case...

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 4:27:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: DanielleofMists
Well shit! I didn't get this memo...

You're doing it wrong.

Once again I propose that we desperately need an "Ask A Fake" section where all us folks who don't follow the rules can chat without bothering the true people.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 4:28:26 PM

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We cannot have a serious debate on slavery within a BDSM arena, since the term BDSM has been twisted in so many ways, no adept can deliver the proper definition. By the way, the third letter of the label refers to a real person, but that is not what we are discussing here.

Considering that BDSM stands for bondage/Discipline/Sado-Masochism, it's not really relevant to slavery. You do not have to engage in D/s or M/s to engage in BDSM, nor do you have to engage in BDSM to engage in D/s or M/s.

And please do not trot out the internet bastardization that tries to cram two meanings into one acronym.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 4:51:55 PM

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OWK

By OWK I assume you mean 'Other World Kingdom'? I hate to break this to you, but they were selling a fantasy. You can't use porn as a measure of real life. Saying 'well on OWK I saw XYZ therefore this is how D/s works' - that's like saying 'On Xtube every time a woman hires a plumber it's because she wants to seduce him, therefore plumbers have sex with every female client'.

You have a fantasy. You are using evidence from a place invented to cater to that fantasy.

And last I heard OWK went under. Sorry dude.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 6:03:00 PM

LadyPact

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If you really believe this, OP, here's what I suggest that you do.

Start attending LGBT and/or leather events and see if there is a lesbian that will have you. When you get the resounding response that lesbian women aren't interested because you are male (because, frankly, there isn't a single lesbian that I know in the community that isn't having a sexual relationship with their female slaves) maybe you'll get the hint. No matter how you dress up the reasons that you think lesbian women should *want* a male in their service, you're going to find a good number of folks that will tell you that they don't give a damn about how you *think* it should go.

By the way, Exit to Eden was also based on the premise of people visiting the island for fantasy fulfillment.

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 6:08:10 PM

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Yes the OWK is the OTHER WORLD KINGDOM

There are hundreds of sites like these and I am simply using this one because it is more popular.

fantasy or not, you still need a slave to lick dirty boots and not too many actors are willing to do that for the sake of fantasy...

Some of those producers really own the slaves

instead of responding to every thread, do your own research, watch the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

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RE: Lesbians and male slaves - 9/6/2013 6:19:43 PM

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Most Ladies at the OWK really own those slaves and by reading some of their blogs, we can easily conclude that there is no sex going on at that level either.

The slaves are used in productions, to make Femdom clips and the money goes to the OWK, so in that sense, the slaves are AGAIN, used only for income.

...aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd there's your trouble. Dude, step away from the porn. Your insistence that porn is an accurate reflection of what people actually do in real life will make you unattractive to women, lesbian or otherwise.

Please, for the love of gawd...go meet your community members and attend events before spouting off any more rhetoric. At this point, it's your only chance.

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