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Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/6/2013 12:25:25 PM   
MistressDarkArt


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Just finished the audio version of this book. I can't believe what a sadist he was in real life, even to his own daughter.

Examples:
He dared a colleague to remain handcuffed overnight to a piece of furniture on the set. When the man took him up on the dare, Hitchcock offered him an alcoholic beverage to help him pass the night more comfortably, and the man accepted. Hitchcock had laced the drink with a strong laxative, and when the cast and crew arrived on the set the next morning, the man was found bound on the floor in a pile of his poop, humiliated, while everyone saw him.

He cast his daughter in a movie and while on set, he ordered the operator of the ferris wheel to shut down the ride while she sat terrified in a car at the top for over an hour while everyone left on a break.

Knowing Montgomery Clift had a drinking problem, Hitchcock invited him to dinner, plied him with wine until he was inebriated, then dared him to swallow a huge snifter of brandy in one gulp. Clift did, and promptly passed out, falling on his face.

And on it goes...

A brilliant movie maker, but completely driven by kinky sadism, and I don't mean the consentual kind.
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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/7/2013 7:21:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I knew he made Tippi Hedren have a nervous breakdown on the set of the "Birds" because he threw birds on her... Yes, I think he was a little bit sadistic...

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/7/2013 8:24:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		He even tortured strangers on elevators. The following excerpt is from, -=The Elevator Story - Hitchcock & Capote=-



This is a story about a funny situation and a brilliant mind at work, it’s not a joke.
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-=The Elevator Story - Hitchcock & Capote=-
I heard this on the Johnny Carson show when he was interviewing Truman Capote about Alfred Hitchcock. Capote said that he and Hitchcock had been in a restaurant drinking strawberry daiquiris… quite a few. They were "tipsy" when they got in the elevator. It was a long ride down, they had been on top of the Sears Tower or some such skyscraper.

They were in elevator alone and were chatting about this and that. Their conversation paused when the elevator stopped on the 93 floor and people got in. Once it resumed, Hitchcock turns to Capote and says, “and the blood was everywhere.” He proceeds to tell a story about his friend who was murdered in a brutal way.

They elevator stops after few floors and more people get in. After pausing for the passengers to get in, Hitchcock resumes saying, “at first they thought it was the maid because she was having an affair.” A few more floors and the elevator stops, Hitchcock pauses and the continues, “…the butler was jealous. However, the shoe prints in the blood indicated someone else.” Each time the elevators stops, Hitchcock pauses for passengers to load and then resumes this bloody tale about this murder as he slowly unravels how the police were deducing who did it and explaining the motives of each suspect, which by now numbered quite a few.

This goes on for several minutes during the ride and everyone else is silently listening to this story between Hitchcock and Capote. None of gruesome details were spared… pausing the story at every stop, then resuming to reveal the long and convoluted plot through the time line of details as the police get closer to tracking down the killer. Finally, just before the ground, Hitchcock says, “and the only reason the police caught them was……..” DING, they hit ground floor and the elevator doors opened. Once again, as before, Hitchcock paused...

Capote said people shuffled around for a bit, then they reluctantly started exiting the elevator and finally Capote and Hitchcock exit last. Hitchcock didn’t continue the story and about halfway across the building lobby Capote was burning with curiosity. He turns to Hitchcock and says, “well, what happened, who did it and how did they catch them?” Hitchcock says, “no one, that’s just my elevator story.”

You gotta’ love Hitchcock!

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/7/2013 10:35:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: khorakhane

I knew he made Tippi Hedren have a nervous breakdown on the set of the "Birds" because he threw birds on her... Yes, I think he was a little bit sadistic...


According to the book above: true. Using mechanical birds was suggested, but he didn't feel the end result would be realistic enough. He shot the scene over and over for five solid days until she was so distraught she couldn't continue. Though some of her pecks and bruises and bloody injuries were makeup, many were from actual bird attacks. She returned to the set after the weekend and was in such a hysterical state, the set doctor ordered a leave of absence until she could function again. What a f*cker not just to the actors but the birds used in filming. Not likely he'd be able to get away with that today. PETA would yank him up by the short hairs.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:08:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some of this sounds more like fraternity prank than what I would term "sadism", but everyone operates with their own definition of what sadism means. I do think, as a director, he wanted to achieve a certain realism and it did make him treat people and animals without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability. And he did this to achieve the result that he wanted to capture on film Again, not sure I would label this "sadism" as such. But I understand the general notion that this otherwise brilliant man was not respectful of other human beings.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:13:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		"it did make him treat people and animals without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability"

fucktoyprincess- that doesn't equate to sadism in your book? Try the dictionary.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:27:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MizzSpitfire

"it did make him treat people and animals without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability"

fucktoyprincess- that doesn't equate to sadism in your book? Try the dictionary.


No sadist I know who is actively involved in the S&M scene would describe themselves as acting towards their partners "without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability". Maybe you play differently, but it's NOT how S&M is defined in MY world. I challenge you to find sadists in the BDSM world who truly play "without regard" to basic things like safety. If you find such people, you have likely identified an abuser at the least, or a murderer, at the worst. I do not equate sadism in BDSM to abuse. Again, my two cents. You obviously have a different take.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:37:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		The elevator story sounds like something I would do. I've done similar. I don't consider the pranks sadistic, just a different sort of humor. I do have a little more restraint, though. While I'd be tempted to lace someone's drink with a laxative, I surely would never do it nor tempt an alcoholic with alcohol.

I've always loved the creative geniuses that had different quirks.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:39:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


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ORIGINAL: MizzSpitfire

"it did make him treat people and animals without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability"

fucktoyprincess- that doesn't equate to sadism in your book? Try the dictionary.


No sadist I know who is actively involved in the S&M scene would describe themselves as acting towards their partners "without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability". Maybe you play differently, but it's NOT how S&M is defined in MY world. I challenge you to find sadists in the BDSM world who truly play "without regard" to basic things like safety. If you find such people, you have likely identified an abuser at the least, or a murderer, at the worst. I do not equate sadism in BDSM to abuse. Again, my two cents. You obviously have a different take.


I think you are both right. MizzSpitfire was right calling that sadism. I also think ftp is saying no decent partner would act with disregard to his Sub/Slave. Concern for the receiver isn't necessary for an abuser or sociopath.


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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 11:44:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The book alludes that Hitchcock may never have played out anything kinky with his wife (apparently she wore the pants in the family and he always deferred to her, even when she cut him off sexually). But he was fascinated with homosexuality, bisexuality, bondage, slashing/cutting, blood, humiliation, and violent murder preceded by rape.

Since there were limits to what he could legally play out in real life, it's pretty obvious he got his jollies transferring these fixations to his movies.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's very narrow and naive to believe that to be a sadist you mustt be involved in BDSM. The reality is that there ar many sadists who have no involvment in BDSM. It doesn't make them less of a sadist. The definition of sadism is no more than deriving pleasure from the suffering and hmiliation of other. Respect for the person's safety or well being does not need to be part. It is still sadism although no, it is not acceptable behavior within mostt BDSM communities.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:13:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most sadists are not interested in consent. That's the difference between one who negotiates to inflict pain on a bottom, and someone like Hitchcock. Had the person agreed to things, it would have ruined it for him.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:33:12 PM   
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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:40:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Some of this sounds more like fraternity prank than what I would term "sadism", but everyone operates with their own definition of what sadism means. I do think, as a director, he wanted to achieve a certain realism and it did make him treat people and animals without regard for their personal safety and psychological stability. And he did this to achieve the result that he wanted to capture on film Again, not sure I would label this "sadism" as such. But I understand the general notion that this otherwise brilliant man was not respectful of other human beings.


Apparently his quest for realism was taking a nap when he directed "Topaz," especially when it came to the directing of actors who exhibited some of the worst Spanish accents in film history.
Maybe he should have thrown live animals at them without warning during the shoot....?

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:49:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		^^^From what I read, he was very disappointed 'Topaz' was a flop.

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RE: Alfred Hitchcock Was A Twisted, Sadistic B*stard - 9/8/2013 3:50:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		^^^Maybe a little humiliation was what he deserved.

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