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RE: Gender and roles - 9/17/2013 10:00:07 AM   
RumpusParable


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Could we keep in mind that gender and sex aren't the same. Not all males are men, not all females are women.

Saying "she did X" doesn't necessarily tell you what sex the person doing whatever it was is, for a single example.

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RE: Gender and roles - 9/17/2013 10:13:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

Not all males are men, not all females are women.


is that so? i know youre probably referring to transgenderism, but i would have said a trans-man is both male and a man, and a trans-woman is both female and a woman.

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RE: Gender and roles - 9/17/2013 10:27:31 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

Not all males are men, not all females are women.


is that so? i know youre probably referring to transgenderism, but i would have said a trans-man is both male and a man, and a trans-woman is both female and a woman.


Not to derail this discussion, but the term trans as an umbrella term includes a large amount of ways to identifiate and does not include people with intersex conditions. i'd imagine most transsexual men identify or define themselves as being both male and a man, but not everyone. And yes, then there are transgendered people who also form a diverse group of different definitions/identities/bodies/genders/whatever. i personally identify as a transgendered person and prefer the pronoun "she" even though i do not view my gender to be female or my sex to be conclusively woman. But, alas, i live in a society where majority of people recognize two genders/sexes and i do try to conform when necessary. ^_^

As for the topic - in my native tongue the pronouns are not gender specific so it's fairly easy to talk about people in a gender neutral way. Out of the terms i prefer the gender-neutral ones (Dominant, submissive, slave, switch, D-person, s-person, fetishist, etc.). For some people gender/sex is important when talking about people/potential play partners and when at liberty i do not see trouble in disclosing those about people. But when unsure, i do not disclose that information either. Unless it's about me. i always love to talk about myself. :D

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RE: Gender and roles - 9/17/2013 11:41:47 AM   
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learned something new again ^^

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