Phydeaux
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For the record, I'm opposed to republican tyrants as much as democratic ones. The problem is I can't think of any republican political machines that matched the daleys, tammany hall, coleman etc.
I'm sure I'm about to get an education in it.
Your not opposed to Republican tyrants; you support them! You can not think of a single example largely because one would have to behave in a non-tyrannical manner to serve as the benchmark for determination to begin! Let's consider two US Presidents that served two terms each. One was impeached and the other wasn't. Both were during Republican controlled Congresses (House & Senate):
President Bill Clinton lied to the American people about having a sexual relationship with an intern at the White House. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the American public; his wife on the other hand.....
He was impeached by hypocrites! Come on, EVERYONE has affairs in D.C.! Including the Speaker of the House (Newt Gingrich) whom presided over the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. It was all done for political points!
President George W. Bush lied to the American people about the 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' (i.e. WMDs) that were in Iraq before invading that nation in 2003. Every member of his White House (From Dick Cheney to Collin Powell) stated time and again, along with the President that Iraq had numerous/massive stockpiles of WMDs that he could use on the USA and her allies in the Middle East. So we invaded the nation and what did we find? Not very many WMDs and no where in the same galaxy, the number the White House had told the American people.
4,500+ US Soldiers were killed. 32,000+ with injuries that will last for the rest of their lives. 100K-600K (depending on who you believe) dead civilians. And added $4 Trillion dollars to the US Debt which grew by leaps and bounds during the Bush White House years of 2000-2008.
An where was all the outrage among conservatives, libratarians, and tea party jokers in the room after all this (not to mention all those 'fiscal conservative types)? So silent you could drop a pin to the floor in the room!
You slam the President over petty things by the hour, yet when Republicans (who you voted for I might add) do the same or worst, your completely silent. Now why is that? Your blame Democrats for being tyrannical but not Republicans? Could it be that Democrats have a well defined benchmark of not being tyrannical? Yet Republicans have no such benchmark since all of them behave tyrannical on a daily basis? If you and all the other conservatives, libertarians, and tea party folks where to hold the people you elect to TWICE the level of accountability and responsibility with power, as you slam the President.....we would have better government almost over night.
But you cant. And that is your primary problem with your question.
Obviously you live in a completely different world than me. I will never call the death of 4 Americans a trivial event.
I didn't support the impeachment of Clinton because it was obvious it would go nowhere. So, as an exercise in stupidity it was a waste of time, and a political mistake as well.
However, it isn't only a question of lying. Clinton lied in a sworn deposition in on going case. Perjury is a felony. The President of the country is supposed to uphold the laws.
I do not take lying as lightly as you do. Because perjury allows the coverup of everything else. "Yes, your honor, I embezzled that 10 million dollars. The reason its a crime - and a felony is because its important. Thats why we have a law, and the rule of law. And I do not believe in one set of laws for politicians, corp fat cats,union fat cats, and another one for the people.
I have made the case many times. I am happy to prosecute republicans or democrats or who ever for violating the law. Can you take the same pledge? If so, lets quit the stone walling on the IRS - where Lois Lerner and the previous head have lawyered up and pled the fifth. Lets end the stone wall on Benghazi, on the NSA, on bugging the press.
Going back to Bush. The standard of law is that you have to have proof that Bush knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. And yet I firmly remember an article in der Spiegel saying that the german intelligence services had confirmed WMD's. I remember the french concurring.
And I have read numerous reports that said the same thing - that multiple intelligence sources were of the opinion that there were WMD's. For the record - Clapper (you know Obamas director of national intelligence) is on record as saying the WMD's that were in Iraq were moved to Syria.
So, if one wished to say that Bush was wrong about that - I would agree. But I would also say that if Bush was wrong - all the members of congress that had due diligence to read the reports and make their own conclusions were also wrong. The vote was 296-133.
So if one has evidence that bush knew there were no evidence of WMD, I've never seen that. Absent pretty convincing proof that a president lied (you know, like, I did not have sex with that woman - and yet your semen is on the dress) the term liar is just an unproven accusation - no more convincing than when he was also called a baby killer, murderer etc).
And I think it is an unconscionable violation of civics to engage in that kind of behavior.
Regardless, I'm not sure where your connection is to my previous post. I was speaking of tyrants, dictators, political bosses etc. Unless you are saying you think Bush was all or any of those?
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