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the evolution and interpretation of the english word slave - 9/15/2013 1:46:36 PM   
honorableintent


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Status: offline 		Nowadays the traditional dictionary definition of the english word slave has broadened beyond its original designated meaning. It has expanded to include various levals of submission were the person is not owned and has replaced client and customer in the professional domination business. What is you're own definition and in what context do you use it?&:
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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 1:48:50 PM   
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When speaking of slaves people always tend to ignore this definition "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence."

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 3:27:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have two separate definitions for the word slave. In the world at large, a slave is a person who is held to service by another, regardless of whether he consents to it.

In the BDSM community, a slave is a person who gets off from calling himself a slave and/or whose partner also gets off from calling him a a slave.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 5:23:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The way I mainly see it used is in a form of oneupmanship. IE: she's a submissive because she won't do what I do. Or the converse: he's a slave because he'll do X and I never would.

In terms of the etymology, it comes from the word Slav because Slav's suffered from feudal serfdom much later than most of the rest of Europe.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 6:11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		slave: 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.


ETA: I'm part Slav, soooo.....as DesFip pointed out......yup, kinda works for me.



< Message edited by littlewonder -- 9/15/2013 6:13:02 PM >

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 8:19:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slave comes from the Roman. The Slavs were raided so often for bond servants that Slave became synonymous for indentured servitude in in imperial Rome.

The U.S. only had term indenture to pay for transportation cost until a petition was put to the courts in colonial Virginia by a gent wishing to have life long indenture so he would be cared for the rest of his life. The precedent that set truly opened a can of legal worms.

Post Roman western Europe evolved more to a concept of fealty and indenture than the use of people as property to be conquered or stolen by the 10th century. Yet, slave trafficing existed as a significant business in the southern Mediterranean and points south into the 20th century. i.e. Salee Rovers, Corsairs, etc.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 10:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		First two dictionary definitions:

slave [sleyv] Show IPA noun, verb, slaved, slav·ing.
noun
1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.
a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person

Either fit my slave just fine.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 10:37:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle
In the BDSM community, a slave is a person who gets off from calling himself a slave and/or whose partner also gets off from calling him a a slave.


This.

In my own life, I call myself a slave when I agree not to say no to a person anymore.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/15/2013 11:14:05 PM   
ResidentSadist


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Status: offline 		There is no evolution of the word and you don't sound like your opinion is grounded in reality. More like a bias from being bombarded by the online FinDom phenomena . . . don't worry about that. They aren't real, most of them are refugee vanilla hookers from the online escort crack downs (escorts.com has been raided and closed). So they come here trying to start up a business. They are not part of the real world leather community, they don't exist in the real world nor will you find that at leather conventions and events. So their clients are just that . . . clients that fantasy role play giving money makes them a slave. It has nothing to do with BDSM, it has everything to do with prostitution.

The dictionary definition is the real meaning of slave, it hasn't changed and it still works for me and my leather friends in the real world.

1: a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
2: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence
3: a device (as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another
4: drudge, toiler

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/16/2013 2:42:26 AM   
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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/16/2013 7:50:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: honorableintent
What is you're own definition and in what context do you use it?&:


In Carol: She must obey very single command.

For Others: I don't much care.

For communication purposes: I don't much care. I wait for the descriptive paragraph that follows someone using a BDSM word and ignore the word itself.

I use it in BDSM circles to [poorly] describe my relationship with one label.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/16/2013 10:16:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know Jeff, "I obey every single command' seems to me to be a pretty reasonable definition of 'slave', I'm not so sure you use it so poorly.

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/16/2013 9:36:05 PM   
JeffBC


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ORIGINAL: tsatske
I don't know Jeff, "I obey every single command' seems to me to be a pretty reasonable definition of 'slave', I'm not so sure you use it so poorly.

I'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy. Someone else is also on my case to stop waffling on this topic. In her case it's the fact that I routinely deny to be dominant (in the way I think that's normally meant in BDSM circles). She got pretty pushy about it which, in my opinion, only proves my lack of dominance.... an argument which went nowhere with her :)

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RE: the evolution and interpretation of the english wor... - 9/16/2013 10:47:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you win the argument, you're a dominant. If you lose, you're not. Seems like lose/lose.

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