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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I smelled a hoax myself, but there's a .pdf of the book online at

http://www.conejo.k12.ca.us/Portals/49/Departments/Social%20Science/Palotay/Amsco.pdf

That wording of the 2nd Amendment is on p 134.

Your link is to the 2010 revision and the wording is on book P.102 and is exactly as K posted -

Second Amendment. The people have the right to keep and bear arms in a state militia

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Shouldn't a summary summarize the actual meaning?

Isn't this splitting hairs a little bit? If you hit the highlights of something and lose a bit of the original meaning, is that not what a summary is?
I am not certain what the problem that people are having with the understanding of a condensed version serving to bring to mind the very basic essence of something that a student should already know. For instance, ROY G. BIV is a condensing of the order of the colors in the rainbow. Now, if they only taught ROY G. BIV to children and left out the essential meaning of it, then I can see your point, but obviously they do not.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

That's even more of a reach. You're just making shit up. I never even remotely suggested anything of the kind, and the book isn't published by the government anyway.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Given such a blatant misrepresentation of fact, the question is: Essential to what?

K.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

No. It isn't splitting hairs. And, as a bald guy, I'm offended the use of that phrase. Actually, I'm not. I'm completely kidding about that! [:D]

If it can't be condensed without changing the meaning, then it shouldn't be condensed. Seriously, Gauge. We're a talking about 27 words being condensed to 14, and inaccurately representing the meaning of the Amendment. To keep the accuracy intact, you could even drop that down to 10 words: "The people have the right to keep and bear arms." Fuckin' A! Would have saved them an extra line on the page, too!

No. It's not splitting hairs. It's supporting accuracy.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
"The people have the right to keep and bear arms."
But that would be incorrectly distilled as well, it is not an unlimited right.(SCOTUS says so)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
No. It isn't splitting hairs. And, as a bald guy, I'm offended the use of that phrase. Actually, I'm not. I'm completely kidding about that! [:D]
If it can't be condensed without changing the meaning, then it shouldn't be condensed. Seriously, Gauge. We're a talking about 27 words being condensed to 14, and inaccurately representing the meaning of the Amendment. To keep the accuracy intact, you could even drop that down to 10 words: "The people have the right to keep and bear arms." Fuckin' A! Would have saved them an extra line on the page, too!
No. It's not splitting hairs. It's supporting accuracy.

Bald Power my follically challenged Brother![:D]
Anyway, please understand, I get exactly what your point is and yes, it does lose accuracy, but it does that in other areas of the book too. This is nothing short of the Cliff Notes.
How exactly would you put the Bill of Rights into a summary then? You are going to have to lose some accuracy because it is impossible to summarize otherwise.
I guess my lack of a problem with this is that this book never claims to be something that it is not. I would be right there with you if it was not a very obvious summary. I am not trying to be oppositional for the sake of anything but trying to understand why something like this is a problem.

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adj.

1. Presenting the substance in a condensed form; concise: a summary review.
2. Performed speedily and without ceremony: summary justice; a summary rejection.


n. pl. sum·ma·ries

A presentation of the substance of a body of material in a condensed form or by reducing it to its main points; an abstract.

2nd Amendment. Citizens have the right to own firearms.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Summary

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adj.

1. Presenting the substance in a condensed form; concise: a summary review.
2. Performed speedily and without ceremony: summary justice; a summary rejection.


n. pl. sum·ma·ries

A presentation of the substance of a body of material in a condensed form or by reducing it to its main points; an abstract.

The substance of an Amendment isn't really just the words used, but the meaning.

2nd Amendment. Citizens have the right to own firearms.

Done.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
But either they don't, or else they considered that conveying certain facts was less "essential" than injecting into students minds their preferred interpretation of them.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"The people have the right to keep and bear arms."


But that would be incorrectly distilled as well, it is not an unlimited right.(SCOTUS says so)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"The people have the right to keep and bear arms."

But that would be incorrectly distilled as well, it is not an unlimited right.(SCOTUS says so)

Then saying that the 1st protects freedom of speech is misleading since you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"The people have the right to keep and bear arms."


But that would be incorrectly distilled as well, it is not an unlimited right.(SCOTUS says so)

Then saying that the 1st protects freedom of speech is misleading since you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
No one has ever heard of Cliff Notes? Those books condense literature into its most basic essence. In the process they leave out gigantic parts of the book which in turn leaves out some of the overall meaning and point of the book. Cliff Notes never represents itself to be the book, it only serves as a guide. If you want to know what the book actually says, you have to go and read the book.