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DesideriScuri -> US's newest property? (9/18/2013 9:51:51 AM)

http://news.yahoo.com/us-seize-york-skyscraper-secretly-owned-iran-015924951.html

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    The United States is set seize control of a midtown Manhattan skyscraper prosecutors claim is secretly owned by Iran, the justice department said, though the ruling is to be appealed.

    The seizure and sale of the 36-story building, in the heart of New York City on Fifth Avenue, would be "the largest-ever terrorism-related forfeiture," the statement added.

    A federal judge ruled in favor of the government's suit this week, saying the building's owners had violated Iran sanctions and money laundering laws.

    Manhattan Federal Prosecutor Preet Bharara said the decision upholds the justice department claims the owner of the building "was (and is) a front for Bank Melli, and thus a front for the Government of Iran."

    Bharara said the funds from selling the building would provide "a means of compensating victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism."

    Prosecutors allege the building's owners, the Alavi Foundation and Assa Corporation, transferred rental income and other funds to Iran's state-owned Bank Melli.

    Alavi also ran a charitable organization for Iran and managed the building for the Iranian government, the statement said.

    Built in the 1970s by a non-profit operated by the Shah of Iran -- and financed with a Bank Melli loan -- the building was expropriated by the new Iranian government after the 1979 revolution, prosecutors allege.

    They said the Shah's non-profit, the Pahlavi Foundation, was renamed the Mostazafan Foundation of New York and then the Alavi Foundation.

    A former president of the Alavi foundation pleaded guilty in 2009 to obstructing justice in destroying evidence related to the case, which was first filed in 2008.

    The Alavi foundation plans to appeal, saying on its website it was "disappointed" with the ruling and that "it did not have the opportunity to rebut the Government evidence before a jury."

    The US Treasury Department has instituted tight sanctions against Iran, blacklisting a number of Iranian companies and organizations and putting controls on the ability of any group or business to transfer funds into Iran.

    The restrictions seek to pressure Tehran into giving up what the West says is a program to develop nuclear weapons.




mnottertail -> RE: US's newest property? (9/18/2013 10:09:03 AM)

But what about the free market?




Politesub53 -> RE: US's newest property? (9/18/2013 5:17:12 PM)

"Built in the 1970s by a non-profit operated by the Shah of Iran -- and financed with a Bank Melli loan -- the building was expropriated by the new Iranian government after the 1979 revolution, prosecutors allege."

Seems a case of it is okay if you are our dictator ?




DesideriScuri -> RE: US's newest property? (9/18/2013 8:05:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
"Built in the 1970s by a non-profit operated by the Shah of Iran -- and financed with a Bank Melli loan -- the building was expropriated by the new Iranian government after the 1979 revolution, prosecutors allege."
Seems a case of it is okay if you are our dictator ?


I'm not sure what you're saying, Polite.

I haven't decided yet if I'm in support of this action or not. I'm leaning towards the claims that the two owners were fronts for Bank Melli and Iran a bit specious. I think this is just another example of heavy-handed abuse of standard operating procedures. It's one thing to confiscate things actually used by perps in the commission of a crime, but to abuse the system and take property (real estate and other property) from someone simply because a crime was committed, or thought to have been committed, when the owner had nothing to do with the crime.

According to the story, the two owners transferred rental and other monies to Bank Melli. Since Bank Melli is state-owned, it's a violation of Iran sanctions and money-laundering laws.

Another red flag that popped up, for me, was that, according to the Alavi Foundation (one owner), there was no opportunity for rebuttal of the accusations to a jury. That smacks of opportunism and abuse.

I hope this gets sorted out properly and justice is served. I also hope that our Justice Dept. acted properly in this.




Politesub53 -> RE: US's newest property? (9/19/2013 4:35:18 AM)

When the dictator in Iran was a friend of the US, things were fine, now not so much.

The problem with the west as a whole and dictators, is a lack of consistency.




DesideriScuri -> RE: US's newest property? (9/19/2013 5:11:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
When the dictator in Iran was a friend of the US, things were fine, now not so much.
The problem with the west as a whole and dictators, is a lack of consistency.


Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

The dictator in Iran hasn't been our friend for many years, though. If this is really such a big issue, why now? I get that we are trying to ratchet the pressure up, but where do we come up with this stuff?

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.pdf

Pulled that from our Treasury Dept. website just now. Forfeiture of property doesn't seem to be on the list...





Politesub53 -> RE: US's newest property? (9/19/2013 5:20:48 AM)

I can only think they are citing money laundering or arming terrorists. Again, it is a cse of one mans terrorist etc.




RottenJohnny -> RE: US's newest property? (9/19/2013 1:27:30 PM)

If there was ever an appropriate time to seize the building it seems to me it would have been in 1979. However, if they can prove some kind of link to terrorist activity then I don't see a problem with it. As it is, I don't think it's much more than an attempt to kick Iran in the nuts and give them some bad press.




DesideriScuri -> RE: US's newest property? (9/19/2013 1:40:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
If there was ever an appropriate time to seize the building it seems to me it would have been in 1979. However, if they can prove some kind of link to terrorist activity then I don't see a problem with it. As it is, I don't think it's much more than an attempt to kick Iran in the nuts and give them some bad press.


"them" being Iran, or the two organizations that own(ed) the building?

Iran isn't getting any bad press out of this. The two organizations will, but I haven't seen any proof that what they did was immoral or wrong, other than the Justice Dept. claiming it is.

The only ones truly getting bad press out of this will be the Justice Dept. and possibly the Obama Administration (where the buck stops). It doesn't seem to me that they are fairly applying the law.

But, like I said, I hope justice wins out and that our Justice Dept. is shown to have acted properly.




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