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ORIGINAL: leonine

A commentator in the Guardian noted that he wouldn't like to be this guy's life insurer. The record shows that liberal reforming Popes have the life expectancy of a cheap filament lightbulb, and no autopsy when they die.

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"Yes, the take is down in the us where the population is rightly pissed about the handling of sex abuse."

Agreed.
After all the Pope has said so far, I am still waiting for him to tell us how he intends to deal with the pedophiles in his employ.
Telling everyone else what the correct choices in their lives should be concerning birth control, abortion, and gay marriage means nothing as long as the bigger sin of abuse continues to be committed against children by priests.

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If we are going to be correct, the Roman Catholic Church in America suffered from a Adolescentophilia employees (Hebephilia & Ephebophilia) in their employ. Well over 98% were homosexual acts and statutory rape where male priests targeted 11-17 year old boys. Pedophilia is abuse and rape of pre-adolescents and that issue gratefully, was not the major issue with Catholic Clergy.

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If we are going to be correct, the Roman Catholic Church in America suffered from a Adolescentophilia employees (Hebephilia & Ephebophilia) in their employ. Well over 98% were homosexual acts and statutory rape where male priests targeted 11-17 year old boys. Pedophilia is abuse and rape of pre-adolescents and that issue gratefully, was not the major issue with Catholic Clergy.

Does this make what happened any less horrifying?

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Not at all but it must be put in proper context.

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Not at all but it must be put in proper context.

Fair enough.

What is the proper context and how should it alter our perception of the abuse?

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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

"Yes, the take is down in the us where the population is rightly pissed about the handling of sex abuse."

Agreed.
After all the Pope has said so far, I am still waiting for him to tell us how he intends to deal with the pedophiles in his employ.
Telling everyone else what the correct choices in their lives should be concerning birth control, abortion, and gay marriage means nothing as long as the bigger sin of abuse continues to be committed against children by priests.

If we are going to be correct, the Roman Catholic Church in America suffered from a Adolescentophilia employees (Hebephilia & Ephebophilia) in their employ. Well over 98% were homosexual acts and statutory rape where male priests targeted 11-17 year old boys. Pedophilia is abuse and rape of pre-adolescents and that issue gratefully, was not the major issue with Catholic Clergy.

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I've heard that line of BS before. It never gets less repugnant. Raping an 11 or 16 year old boy or girl is unacceptable period.

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/21784887-418/pedophile-catholic-priest-deported-to-bolivia.html

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For the most part it was a direct targeting of intelligent, emotionally and sexually confused but other wise, knowing and sexually aware young males by homosexual men.

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/21784887-418/pedophile-catholic-priest-deported-to-bolivia.html

You chose one priest, who's victim was 7 at the time it started and 12 or even 13 by the end to prove your argument.

But the monster and horrific cleric's actions you linked to fit more with adolescentrasty (in that case hebephilia) than with pederasty.

I am at a loss as to why some people so rightfully appalled at the actions of abusive priests, find themselves not wanting to admit or even covering for why that abuse was happening and covered up in the first place!

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For the most part it was a direct targeting of intelligent, emotionally and sexually confused but other wise, knowing and sexually aware young males by homosexual men.

I came across an interesting article, saying that the John Jay researchers, commissioned by the U.S. bishops, did not see homosexuality as the cause of the abuse. I have not had a chance to read the report itself.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/18/new-catholic-sex-abuse-findings-gay-priests-not-the-problem/

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For the most part it was a direct targeting of intelligent, emotionally and sexually confused but other wise, knowing and sexually aware young males by homosexual men.

I came across an interesting article, saying that the John Jay researchers, commissioned by the U.S. bishops, did not see homosexuality as the cause of the abuse. I have not had a chance to read the report itself.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/18/new-catholic-sex-abuse-findings-gay-priests-not-the-problem/

There is copious research demonstrating that homosexuality is not a factor in pedophilia.

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If we are going to be correct, the Roman Catholic Church in America suffered from a Adolescentophilia employees (Hebephilia & Ephebophilia) in their employ. Well over 98% were homosexual acts and statutory rape where male priests targeted 11-17 year old boys. Pedophilia is abuse and rape of pre-adolescents and that issue gratefully, was not the major issue with Catholic Clergy.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of allegations, investigations, trials and convictions of child sexual abuse crimes committed by Catholic priests, nuns and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as three years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

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That's right, god forbid we suggest there might be the slightest bit of good in this guy.

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I get the feeling that Francis is less comfortable with the Vatican's stuffiness than predecessors, and more comfortable with the people. And he acts accordingly.