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Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:19:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I do not think a Master is a mind reader and i of course know that at times it will go wrong. But ......that is my choice of control to give. You can expect certain levels of knowing,but humans are dynamic and changable-the responsibility to make aware of those changes will be on you-not the Top.

missturbation -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:20:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr A symbiosis is a beneficial sharing that benfits both partners. A devourer is one who uses until a resource is exhausted. Apologies my dictionary stated the definition differently. Either way i leave that to a Masters choice. His perogative.

TolerableCruelty -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:21:49 AM)
quote: How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? I do. And not just for a "scene" or a romp in the sack... or in the bedroom... or behind closed doors. She is here in service to Me... period. That means in all ways (for those of you observing this thread that didn't already know this). She is far from being, or ever having been accused of being, a doormat. She is actually quite opinionated and spirited... she just knows how to express those at the appropriate times and with the appropriate respect. She came here with absolutely no intention of ever having a safeword, or anything else. She knew Me, and of My capabilities, and of My history with slaves... and with the full realization that if she were granted a collar from Me, that she would only be released if I released her. Now, before everyone starts in on the "she can leave whenever she wants" rant... this is true.. I have an open door policy, if a girl is miserable and doesn't want to be here... why would I want her here ?? In the end, she would just make Me miserable as well. However, beth... even if she wasn't happy... still wouldn't leave, unless she felt there was a clear and present danger to her being. This is something we take seriously enough and she has a deep seated sense of devotion and loyalty... not even so much to Me, but to the establishment of the relationship/collar/symbolism of what we have... that even if I were to "disappear" for a while.... she would still be here, waiting for Me, in My collar... until I returned or she had gotten word that I wouldn't return and she was free to move on. I firmly believe she fits your explanation of it perfectly, Caretakr. I wish you well, T.R.

missturbation -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:23:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I do not think a Master is a mind reader and i of course know that at times it will go wrong. But ......that is my choice of control to give. You can expect certain levels of knowing,but humans are dynamic and changable-the responsibility to make aware of those changes will be on you-not the Top. Respectfully, as i said my choice. I don't ask you to agree with me and i know you are trying to advise me but as i said i am prepared to take the results of any mistakes.

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:32:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I do not think a Master is a mind reader and i of course know that at times it will go wrong. But ......that is my choice of control to give. You can expect certain levels of knowing,but humans are dynamic and changable-the responsibility to make aware of those changes will be on you-not the Top. Respectfully, as i said my choice. I don't ask you to agree with me and i know you are trying to advise me but as i said i am prepared to take the results of any mistakes. It's always our choice. And no offense taken.[;)]

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 9:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty quote: How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? I do. And not just for a "scene" or a romp in the sack... or in the bedroom... or behind closed doors. She is here in service to Me... period. That means in all ways (for those of you observing this thread that didn't already know this). She is far from being, or ever having been accused of being, a doormat. She is actually quite opinionated and spirited... she just knows how to express those at the appropriate times and with the appropriate respect. She came here with absolutely no intention of ever having a safeword, or anything else. She knew Me, and of My capabilities, and of My history with slaves... and with the full realization that if she were granted a collar from Me, that she would only be released if I released her. Now, before everyone starts in on the "she can leave whenever she wants" rant... this is true.. I have an open door policy, if a girl is miserable and doesn't want to be here... why would I want her here ?? In the end, she would just make Me miserable as well. However, beth... even if she wasn't happy... still wouldn't leave, unless she felt there was a clear and present danger to her being. This is something we take seriously enough and she has a deep seated sense of devotion and loyalty... not even so much to Me, but to the establishment of the relationship/collar/symbolism of what we have... that even if I were to "disappear" for a while.... she would still be here, waiting for Me, in My collar... until I returned or she had gotten word that I wouldn't return and she was free to move on. I firmly believe she fits your explanation of it perfectly, Caretakr. I wish you well, T.R. TR,I think we really tend to have more of a devotion to expressing our natures-our partners simply help us to find mutual peace in expressing them. Any of us can leave at any time- we stay for our place in the world.

ArtimisBlack -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 10:18:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr Inexorable-grim: not to be placated or appeased or moved by entreaty; adamant: impervious to pleas, persuasion, requests, reason; I've know a few consensual slaves who had this form of expression at the heart of thier submission. They didn't desire scc,or safewords etc..........they wanted a Top with confidence and competence. They tended to fly under the radar-since they were tired of being dismissed as doormats,or enablers of abuse. I admit that I enjoyed the freedom they offered to one they had come to trust-and it made me smile to hear one say- "It's not bondage until I ask to be released, and you say no." How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? This is not something I, personally, would enjoy. I prefer to have a sub who knows when to say "stop" or whatever word we're using to mean that at the time. I do get a little involved sometimes and may go further then I intended. Perhaps things like that improve with experience, but right now, I'd rather have somebody who can tell me if a limit has been reached, for safety reasons if nothing else.

Tamerofwild1s -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 10:25:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty quote: How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? I do. And not just for a "scene" or a romp in the sack... or in the bedroom... or behind closed doors. She is here in service to Me... period. That means in all ways (for those of you observing this thread that didn't already know this). She is far from being, or ever having been accused of being, a doormat. She is actually quite opinionated and spirited... she just knows how to express those at the appropriate times and with the appropriate respect. She came here with absolutely no intention of ever having a safeword, or anything else. She knew Me, and of My capabilities, and of My history with slaves... and with the full realization that if she were granted a collar from Me, that she would only be released if I released her. Now, before everyone starts in on the "she can leave whenever she wants" rant... this is true.. I have an open door policy, if a girl is miserable and doesn't want to be here... why would I want her here ?? In the end, she would just make Me miserable as well. However, beth... even if she wasn't happy... still wouldn't leave, unless she felt there was a clear and present danger to her being. This is something we take seriously enough and she has a deep seated sense of devotion and loyalty... not even so much to Me, but to the establishment of the relationship/collar/symbolism of what we have... that even if I were to "disappear" for a while.... she would still be here, waiting for Me, in My collar... until I returned or she had gotten word that I wouldn't return and she was free to move on. I firmly believe she fits your explanation of it perfectly, Caretakr. I wish you well, T.R. I thought I would pipe in my 2 cents and I quoted T.C. because his opinions are very close in my own . when I give my collar to a girl she is effect my property to do with as I wish . If she is not happy being with me I will try and work on things before showing her the door . If she is not happy she is only going to attempt to make my life more miserable and thats not condusive to a growing relationship. as far as the safe words, if it's something that I can't see from the outside then hell yes please "communicate to me" what is wrong . As a Master tho I can usually tell when something has reached it's breaking point .. I know when enough is enough ... and I know when to stop. I am not a mind reader and sometimes need to be communicated too to understand why something is not right . I can't fix it if I don't know it's broken I have always said. to me a slave gives all ... everything to me the day she recieves my collar ..... what happens to her after that is mine to decide. she gives this to me knowing deep in her heart that I am going to take care of her .. mentally and physically! Her choice is ultimate submission in being owned by me and making sure every last pleasure I have is met .. My choice is taking her and doing with her what needs to be done so that we are both complete in our life. The dynamic you mention is hard to find these days and even tho she lays ultimate choice in my hands . it does not mean she isa doormat by any stretch of the means it means she has that much trust in me ... I look for intelligence and the ability to communicate with my slaves when choosing her .. I love talking about things not just lifestyle things but many things . but she ultimately knows she needs to give me the Masters respect at all times .. as to LA situation ... this might be how it goes . I whack your ass you start flinching your leg . I ask if I gave you permission to move . you apologize and tell me you had a vicious leg cramp I am gonna tell you to take care of it ... might even come over and help you stretch that cramp out so it goes away ....... <smiles> I want the session to keep going to thats just experience but a communicated experience between 2 consensual people one who owns . the other who has given ownership to me and is intelligent enough to know how to tell me somethings wrong in a respectful way but this is just my opinion

enigmabrat -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 11:33:27 AM)
BDSM safe sane consentual... no safe word takes away the safe part and in my opinion the sane part too!!!

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 11:42:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat BDSM safe sane consentual... no safe word takes away the safe part and in my opinion the sane part too!!! Never count on some silly convention to keep you safe. It's all about who you are with-and the choices that brought you there.

SusanofO -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 11:56:55 AM)
Well in my case this would all pretty much still be theoretical, but it sounds very, very appealing, I have to say. -Susan

zenofeller -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 12:21:25 PM)
with that i can certainly agree.

Noah -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 1:03:01 PM)
The original post offerred a definition of the word inexorable which included: quote: not to be placated or appeased or moved by entreaty; adamant: impervious to pleas, persuasion, requests, reason; missturbation's gracious presentation in this thread taken as a whole suggests to me a rich and clear-eyed appreciation for the sort of dynamic in question. The initial definition also included the word "grim". In any conscious exploration of inexorability, Things Can Go Wrong. When they do the costs sometimes are high. My impression is that missturbation understands all of this and still she makes her choice. And yeah, I think we generally kid ourselves way too much to the effect that inexorability is not constantly in play in every aspect our experience. Bringing it to the foreground is an important aspect of my motivation in WIITWD.

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 1:08:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Noah The original post offerred a definition of the word inexorable which included: quote: not to be placated or appeased or moved by entreaty; adamant: impervious to pleas, persuasion, requests, reason; missturbation's gracious presentation in this thread taken as a whole suggests to me a rich and clear-eyed appreciation for the sort of dynamic in question. The initial definition also included the word "grim". In any conscious exploration of inexorability, Things Can Go Wrong. When they do the costs sometimes are high. My impression is that missturbation understands all of this and still she makes her choice. And yeah, I think we generally kid ourselves way too much to the effect that inexorability is not constantly in play in every aspect our experience. Bringing it to the foreground is an important aspect of my motivation in WIITWD. The ultimate inexorability is that we will one day die. Pretty much everything else pales in comparison.

Noah -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 1:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr The ultimate inexorability is that we will one day die. Pretty much everything else pales in comparison. I disagree strongly that everything else pales in comparison, though I thank the existentialists for their initial explorations into the ramifications of that fact's conjunction with the inexorability of Now. That: the supremely queer and sometimes crushingly inexorable fact that we happen to be here at all is the one in comparison with which everything else pales, in my view. Death included. Death, after all, is easy. I'm sure this has something to do with my abject disinterest in the Goth aesthetic, and it's ethos, if it has one. "Necessity" and "Contingency" on the Favorite Kinks list, anyone? Edited to add: Thankyou for cultivating a nice thread, Caretakr--and thanks to missturbation for helping me say and therefore see a certain notion more clearly.

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 1:39:32 PM)
Good point,so best to use the here and now to it's fullest potential-for tomorrow may not arrive!

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 1:44:40 PM)
Use the here and now even in the face of the end you realize will surely come. Once we understand and find love, truth and beauty anyway, there is a certain nobility in the face of the firing squad.

BeingChewsie -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 3:08:15 PM)
I do. He can enforce his authority by any means necessary. I wouldn't want it any other way. My owner is acutely aware of his power and responsibility. He is the only check valve. I don't delve into it too deeply in forums anymore, far too many years worth of defending, defining, and others denying that how I live could be real or healthy. It makes any meaningful discussion on the topic almost impossible quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr Inexorable-grim: not to be placated or appeased or moved by entreaty; adamant: impervious to pleas, persuasion, requests, reason; I've know a few consensual slaves who had this form of expression at the heart of thier submission. They didn't desire scc,or safewords etc..........they wanted a Top with confidence and competence. They tended to fly under the radar-since they were tired of being dismissed as doormats,or enablers of abuse. I admit that I enjoyed the freedom they offered to one they had come to trust-and it made me smile to hear one say- "It's not bondage until I ask to be released, and you say no." How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners?

ownedgirlie -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 3:35:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? To a degree. He is not impervious to my pleas. He will listen to them (if appropriate) and decide from there. He may tell me, however, to be quiet and stop pleading, at which point I will. SSC and safewords are not part of our dynamic. He knows me. He knows how far to push. He knows when to pull back or adjust. Our opinions often differ on that, but he is in charge and his word is final and obeyed. Had he listened to me all this time, we would not have what we do now, and I would not be who I am now.

Caretakr -> RE: Inexorable (7/1/2006 3:44:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie I do. He can enforce his authority by any means necessary. I wouldn't want it any other way. My owner is acutely aware of his power and responsibility. He is the only check valve. I don't delve into it too deeply in forums anymore, far too many years worth of defending, defining, and others denying that how I live could be real or healthy. It makes any meaningful discussion on the topic almost impossible quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr Inexorable-grim: not to be placated or appeased or moved by entreaty; adamant: impervious to pleas, persuasion, requests, reason; I've know a few consensual slaves who had this form of expression at the heart of thier submission. They didn't desire scc,or safewords etc..........they wanted a Top with confidence and competence. They tended to fly under the radar-since they were tired of being dismissed as doormats,or enablers of abuse. I admit that I enjoyed the freedom they offered to one they had come to trust-and it made me smile to hear one say- "It's not bondage until I ask to be released, and you say no." How many of you enjoy a more inexorable dynamic with your partners? I know chewsie. I was just seeing who would be brave enough to dare the flames of ouraged do-mehood once more. Thanks for posting. There are those of us who find this extremely attractive..Whether others do, is moot. It's not going to alter anything.

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