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Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:09:55 AM

li2013

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Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm not proud to say I do it, but it is something I do.

Women who are not dominant seem wise to it, but dommes don't

WHy is this?

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:12:11 AM

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You want my guess? It's because you're a manipulative person coupled with the fact that the personalies you are choosing as "dommes" are not "dominant" in the way I would measure such.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:12:41 AM

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I'm not so sure

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:16:35 AM

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Really? I mean... really?

Do you think that dominant women are unaware of "Topping from the Bottom" and that this is new information to them?

I would say your question or statement or whatever your point here is highly generalized and not true of everyone. What you can get away with with one person may not fly at all with someone else... common sense should indicate the truth of this statement.

So, what was your point again?

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:18:14 AM

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Gauge - trust me its true.

what was the point in your answer by the way?

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:22:12 AM

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are these actual relationships, or just play dates?

Within a relationship, I'd have to assume that the Domme had no problem with having a manipulative sub or else she wouldn't be with him.

If it's a play date, then I'm guessing the Domme doesn't mind the manipulation because it's really just a bit of fun, nothing too serious. And if she didn't like it, she wouldn't want to play with you any more.

I'd be careful of tarring ALL dominant women with the same brush though - there are some I know that would have your balls for christmas tree decorations if you tried to pull that kind of stunt with them.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:28:28 AM

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Are you manipulating these women in real life or are you referring to women you've "met" online, who may or may not actually be women, and may or may not actually be dominant?

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 11:31:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: li2013

Gauge - trust me its true.

Trust you that it is true? Not hardly. Sweeping generalizations almost always fail miserably when discussing something like this. If you believe that you are capable of manipulating every dominant on the planet then please, by all means, have at it. Let me know how that works out for you. Of course, because you believe it is true makes it truth... right?

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what was the point in your answer by the way?

Well, if you cannot glean any amount of information from my previous post, good luck understanding this one.

Of course, you could just be looking to get a rise out of people or are you really trying to get some discussion going. In order for a dialog to take place one does not sit there and continually make their point over and over and over and over again. When your stance is challenged it is up to you to defend it point by point on the merits of the challenge presented, otherwise there can be no discussion or debate, merely a one sided philosophical dissertation from you.

Now, if you are wasting our time ( http://www.collarchat.com/m_4540577/tm.htm ) fine. However, if you want some form of intellectual exchange of ideas then let's see what you have got to say other than restating your original point Ad nauseum Ad infinitum.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 2:48:55 PM

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OP, you really should define what you mean by 'manipulate.' For example:

-- Thinking you are weasling out of a directive/instruction/expectation or have gotten away with something without facing any consequences
-- Getting your own way, assuming this is not what the Domme intended
-- Getting your own fetish or kink "catered" to
-- Being assertive about your needs & desires and getting one or more met
-- Influencing a Domme to change her mind or believing that you have gotten a Domme to agree to what you want
-- Feeling that you have gotten the better end of the bargain (gotten over on a Domme)
-- Presuming that a Domme believes one of your many lies/deceptions since she hasn't called you out on it yet and is waiting for you to dig a bigger hole for yourself

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Really? I mean... really?

Do you think that dominant women are unaware of "Topping from the Bottom" and that this is new information to them?

Are you even certain you have been dealing with a Dominant instead of a Top? Just because a female Tops you in a scene does not make her a Domme or even a Switch.

I've heard of subs who have Topped one another on more than one occasion due to lack of available Dominant play partners. One male sub even remarked this was probably the most submissive thing he has ever done, since the act of Topping was so diametrically opposed to what he really wanted, which was to have traded places with the bottom instead.

You neglected to address these other pertinent questions:

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ORIGINAL: myotherself

are these actual relationships, or just play dates?

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Are you manipulating these women in real life or are you referring to women you've "met" online, who may or may not actually be women, and may or may not actually be dominant?

Until you provide specific information, your statement is too vague to comment upon further.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 2:53:32 PM

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Howdi li2013! Go ahead and try to manipulate me. I'll set you right with a quickness.

Also, if the dommes you are referencing are pro-dommes, of course you can 'manipulate' them. You are paying for the privilege.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 3:13:35 PM

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Dude . . . ProDoms don't count, they're employed service providers and are supposed to comply to your wishes.

Juat sayin'

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 4:20:13 PM

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Yup, you've manipulated them into not having a relationship with you. As otherwise, your profile wouldn't state seeking.

How well does this work for you? Is your m. o. giving you the relationship you want?

If not, you do know the definition of insanity, don't you? Doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

If you want to be the cherished, beloved partner submissive to the dominant woman of your dreams, then you need to become the person that a woman like that wants. It seems apparent that you haven't done that. Which is why you still haven't gotten the relationship you want.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 5:06:34 PM

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Guys, we're talking to a "submissive" male, "looking" for dominant women, who says he will not accept any feminists. This is not a serious question. This is a lame attempt at stirring us up, so he can prove in his own mind that he can manipulate people.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 5:25:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Miyani

Guys, we're talking to a "submissive" male, "looking" for dominant women, who says he will not accept any feminists. This is not a serious question. This is a lame attempt at stirring us up, so he can prove in his own mind that he can manipulate people.

Stirring you up is so 2012.......

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 5:36:36 PM

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Dude . . . ProDoms don't count, they're employed service providers and are supposed to comply to your wishes.

Juat sayin'

Then I suck at being a pro
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Lol

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 5:51:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Dude . . . ProDoms don't count, they're employed service providers and are supposed to comply to your wishes.

Juat sayin'

Then I suck at being a pro
:(

Lol

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 6:17:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Miyani

Guys, we're talking to a "submissive" male, "looking" for dominant women, who says he will not accept any feminists. This is not a serious question. This is a lame attempt at stirring us up, so he can prove in his own mind that he can manipulate people.

He's manipulated all the women he knows into not having a relationship with him. Let's hope he's happy like this because it seems doubtful that anything's going to change.

He's manipulated all of us into thinking he's not anyone worth being friends with.

Personally I wouldn't go around trying to make everyone dislike me, but since that's what satisfies him, I don't mind being one of many who thinks he isn't worth talking to. I doubt that it makes him happy though.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 6:20:52 PM

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You want my guess? It's because you're a manipulative person coupled with the fact that the personalies you are choosing as "dommes" are not "dominant" in the way I would measure such.

This

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 7:55:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: li2013

Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm not proud to say I do it, but it is something I do.

Life, get one.

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Women who are not dominant seem wise to it, but dommes don't

WHy is this?

People, in general, are easy to manipulate.

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RE: Why are dominant women so easy to manipulate? - 9/22/2013 9:14:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: li2013

Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm not proud to say I do it, but it is something I do.

Women who are not dominant seem wise to it, but dommes don't

WHy is this?

Hm, so you're...what? Paying into some fin domme's Amazon account to get topped online and then cancelling the deposit and going neener neener neener...? Promised to spank your own ass for misbehavior when you're really wanking off? I'm trying hard to picture how you're "manipulating dommes".

I am fully aware that someone I'm talking with online could be lying about everything in his life, that the thirty year olds might very well be sixty, the guys with great six pack abs pix might be wearing 5X clothes, the impressive dick pix might be borrowed from well known porn movies, and that all those single guys trying to get my attention might very well be married and cheating. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt...as well as giving them enough rope to hang themselves with...is very different from being "easily manipulated".

Btw, in my opinion, several bad experiences online can make a newbie wonder why in the world they thought for one moment that they were actually into BDSM. If you want more women getting their toes wet in the lifestyle, finding where they fit in and what makes them hot...

Oh, wait a minute. I finally understand. You're not here to get laid, not looking for a power exchange relationship, and not looking for someone to do incredible kinky things to your helpless body. You're here to prove to yourself how gullible and stupid "Dominant women" are, compared to your own intellect. M'kay.

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