DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I have never really understood why two of the NY franchises play in NJ. I mean, for NJ, they could make a statement that even NY teams didn't want to play in NY. But, NY could play it up that neither team was willing to ID themselves with NJ.
Actually, the Giants were known as the NY/NJ Giants for a couple of seasons, I think but the fans didn't dig that.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Oddly enough, the OP had as much to do with our not being deprived of GB's "wonderful showing" (they played were located in Cinci). 
Citizens have the ability to exert pressure on their elected officials. The elected officials have the duty to represent their constituents and to govern in a way that is for the good of the people. If it's decided that helping a sports franchise pay for a stadium will materially benefit the locale (and locals), then why shouldn't they strike that deal?
At times it might seem like it's a bad deal. But, without all the info, you're not going to know. $33M payment for the stadium vs. $23.5M for HHS? Without any idea how much revenue comes in from the Reds and the Bengals, how are we to know what's right or not? What happens if it's determined that those two franchises bring in $25M/yr.? Spending $33M to get $50M (2-year budget number) isn't a bad deal, is it? What would the HHS budget be without the MLB/NFL franchises adding to the revenue coffers?
Not enough information to truly weigh in on whether or not it was a good idea for Cinci.
I really don't want to check numbers but I find it hard to believe that many sports teams contribute the kind of monies you're talking about. I'm not even sure there's an accurate way to measure the difference between with and without a sports team.
I would need some compelling proof that Wilkes-Barre (right near where I live) would actually benefit from building a new arena for the Penguins (Minor League affilliate of the Pittsburgh club).
If I recall correctly, Trenton, NJ got screwed by The Thunder. The team kept talking about all the revenues that they'd bring to the community. They privatized their parking facility, they built a horrid restaurant, that was over-budget and probably a ptomaine palace, and right across the street continues to be a toilet.
Now, the team can't be blamed for all the crime in the area. The city needed to do their part, also but word went out, pretty quickly that visitors/fans needed to confine themselves to the Thunder's "compound".
It's been almost 20 years but it's in my head that Trenton got screwed on the deal. They helped pay for the stadium, undertook a road rebuilding and redirection and (I think) are still owed on the original financing.
I'm sure, as I said, that there are some places that would benefit but I'm also sure that it would have to be under very specific conditions.
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