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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 11:10:49 AM

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Maybe give a person 3 flags/month and take them away each time they make a report that isn't really a violation? That way, you can't have 3 people attack someone and then the rest of the month is a free for all on that person.

If we don't use our flags at all, can we sell em like Carbon Points?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 12:27:22 PM

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Personally, I see no evidence that the proposed new system will work better than the old.

Essentially the people that are complaining are the ones that have been moderated. Shrug. Seems like that is how things will always be.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 1:40:46 PM

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Perhaps people tend to be a bit more circumspect when they know that giving in to their dark side will provoke an unpleasant response without the option of calling a Forum Nanny.

Forum Nanny says it all....

Well in all fairness, I intended that expression to refer to an unpleasant and impatient style of moderation that treats people like children, not moderation per se. I haven't found anything to complain about with either Chi or Rho. The rules are the rules, and at least as far as my experience goes they've both been performing a thankless job graciously.

If we're going to have moderation, I think it's better to nip provocations in the bud, as it seems to me that Chi and Rho have tried to do, rather than wait for the train wreck and then punish everybody because you don't care who started it. After all, who let it become a train wreck in the first place? That kind of moderation is as culpable as the parties involved.

It's a natural human tendency to want to step on trolls when they come out from under their bridges, and if the moderators don't do it then sooner or later somebody else will. Telling us not to feed them is a cop-out, and so is telling us to use the "Hide" feature. I mean seriously, what the fuck? "We're not doing our job, and if you don't like it hide the evidence."

That all said, the mods can't read every post in every thread. If we're going to have moderation, we have to be part of it. If we see a train wreck shaping up, and don't report the provocateur, we're as much to blame for the inevitable result, and doubly so if we make ourselves part of it. So a conversation about moderation shouldn't be just about the mods.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 2:27:52 PM

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Telling us not to feed them is a cop-out, and so is telling us to use the "Hide" feature. I mean seriously, what the fuck? "We're not doing our job, and if you don't like it hide the evidence."

The majority of the time I recommend using the Hide button is for the few posters who write violation-free posts but quite a few other posters are not able to respond to them without violations.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 2:36:27 PM

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The majority of the time I recommend using the Hide button is for the few posters who write violation-free posts but quite a few other posters are not able to respond to them without violations.

That speaks volumes.

My questions then would be.... how many TOS violations does it take to say... that's it... you are done for good. Go get another computer with and a new name and try again?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 2:56:45 PM

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Well in all fairness, I intended that expression to refer to an unpleasant and impatient style of moderation that treats people like children, not moderation per se.

Good point, K. After all, all us posters try hard not to use a style of posting that is unpleasant and impatient and treats other posters like children, don't we?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:28:28 PM

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The majority of the time I recommend using the Hide button is for the few posters who write violation-free posts but quite a few other posters are not able to respond to them without violations.

That speaks volumes.

My questions then would be.... how many TOS violations does it take to say... that's it... you are done for good. Go get another computer with and a new name and try again?

Creating a new account or using a partners account to avoid moderation is against the guidelines of the forum.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:35:46 PM

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Telling us not to feed them is a cop-out, and so is telling us to use the "Hide" feature. I mean seriously, what the fuck? "We're not doing our job, and if you don't like it hide the evidence."

The majority of the time I recommend using the Hide button is for the few posters who write violation-free posts but quite a few other posters are not able to respond to them without violations.

I didn't have you in mind when I said that, Chi. In fact, it's often users who fall back on those excuses. The point I was transitioning to was that moderation is everybody's job.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:39:16 PM

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Well in all fairness, I intended that expression to refer to an unpleasant and impatient style of moderation that treats people like children, not moderation per se.

Good point, K. After all, all us posters try hard not to use a style of posting that is unpleasant and impatient and treats other posters like children, don't we?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:45:20 PM

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Petulant Mumbling Syndrome?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:50:33 PM

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The point I was transitioning to was that moderation is everybody's job.

An excellent point for which I was remiss in not acknowledging.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 3:52:50 PM

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it's a 4 letter acronym, not 3. Did you get that put down from the ever accurate Nationmaster?

shit...childish...descending to the lowest common denominator again...sorry everyone

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:12:17 PM

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There are guidelines to make sure everyone is on the same page and it is applied across the board. Likely the number will not be revealed, as that would allow those that want to play the system to do so.

There is also a Final Warning system in place for all but the very worst things. Once you have been contacted a certain amount of times you are given a Final Warning that expires in X number of days. Any violation during that time and you go on moderation.

There is a system of checks and balances so that things are documented for the other staff to see.

We also often ask each other what we think about certain things, so that different perspectives by staff can be given before a major decision is made.

Chi and Rho have done an amazing job. They are getting more help now as Omni is now on board, and likely to be new Mods added in the near future. Do not be surprised if you see new names working real soon.

The staff is always open to taking suggestions for possible changes.

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The majority of the time I recommend using the Hide button is for the few posters who write violation-free posts but quite a few other posters are not able to respond to them without violations.

That speaks volumes.

My questions then would be.... how many TOS violations does it take to say... that's it... you are done for good. Go get another computer with and a new name and try again?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:13:14 PM

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it's a 4 letter acronym, not 3. Did you get that put down from the ever accurate Nationmaster?

shit...childish...descending to the lowest common denominator again...sorry everyone

Oops, without my glasses I took that last character to be an exclamation point. I grovel in apology.

Still sore, eh?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:13:30 PM

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A very good post Kirata. So what do members believe should be done when the warnings made in topics are ignored?

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:20:21 PM

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There are guidelines to make sure everyone is on the same page and it is applied across the board. Likely the number will not be revealed, as that would allow those that want to play the system to do so.

There is also a Final Warning system in place for all but the very worst things. Once you have been contacted a certain amount of times you are given a Final Warning that expires in X number of days. Any violation during that time and you go on moderation.

There's a contradiction here but, it's a phrase in one paragraph that contradicts the others.

I was moderated, by one of the current moderators, a little over a year ago. There were two violations (allegedly. I was never shown the violations) in one thread and I got 72 hours (which took 7 days to actually get re-instated)

So how, exactly does:

"There is also a Final Warning system in place for all but the very worst things."

and:

"There are guidelines to make sure everyone is on the same page and it is applied across the board."

link up with some users' own personal experiences?

Why am I still not able to do things two months after a non-TOS violation?

The practice doesn't match the very PC prose.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:50:04 PM

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There are always exceptions for some things but that usually requires a senior admin to make those. Those exceptions are usually reviewed heavily and used to amend policy in the future if need be.

I cannot speak to your particular situation though. If you message me on the other side I can definitely look into it and see if anything can be sent to you concerning it. Ask around, I answer mail pretty fast.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:54:44 PM

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Also, those are current systems in place that may not have been there a year ago.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 4:56:27 PM

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I posted about the current issue, earlier in the thread. I didn't expect anything to get done about it. It's like I'm double-secret probation or some shit.

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RE: Re: An update on posting style - 9/26/2013 5:04:28 PM

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You are triple secret. Regardless of that please mail me the particulars so it can be addressed in a staff meeting.

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