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If you still think pot should be illegal, you are an as... - 9/24/2013 6:58:14 AM   
subfever


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Read article here.
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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 7:29:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		How quickly we forget- 1987 Maryland Amtrak train crash: Ricky Gates: 6 years sober Yes, he declares, marijuana caused 1987 rail tragedy

"... "Mr. Gimbel came under fire in The Sun's letters-to-the-editor columns after he cited the Chase train wreck as an example of the dangers of marijuana use.

The letter-writers -- at least one of them an advocate of marijuana legalization -- sought to downplay the role of marijuana in the crash. But Mr. Gates says they're wrong.

"If the joint hadn't been there, I wouldn't have been so inattentive," he said. "I feel it was pretty much exclusively the marijuana -- the marijuana and the disease of addiction."... "


16 people died, 14 of them passengers.

I am not a rabid advocate against marijuana becoming legal.
I do think that in impassioned beliefs, that some very important details get brushed aside.
And they shouldn't be.


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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 9:53:10 AM   
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I also think the costs of pot are not accurately represented in the article.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 1:28:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could care less if they legalize pot, personally I see it as no more hazardous than alcohol.

What I want made legal is the right to own a fully working tank and ammo. Have you seen the idiots on the road? I want to be able to defend myself.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 1:40:20 PM   
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I could care less if they legalize pot, personally I see it as no more hazardous than alcohol.

What I want made legal is the right to own a fully working tank and ammo. Have you seen the idiots on the road? I want to be able to defend myself.


would be legal to attach artillery on a pickup truk?

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 2:30:22 PM   
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I could care less if they legalize pot, personally I see it as no more hazardous than alcohol.

What I want made legal is the right to own a fully working tank and ammo. Have you seen the idiots on the road? I want to be able to defend myself.

My preference would be a lazer cannon.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 2:50:59 PM   
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I could care less if they legalize pot, personally I see it as no more hazardous than alcohol.

What I want made legal is the right to own a fully working tank and ammo. Have you seen the idiots on the road? I want to be able to defend myself.

If I'm not mistaken, you actually can own and drive an armored (albeit unarmed) vehicle in the U.K. Seems like I saw a video somewhere of a guy that drives a light tank around London that's painted yellow. Whether or not he does it under the influence of pot was not discussed.

Ah, those Brits. Gotta love 'em.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 2:53:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I could care less if they legalize pot, personally I see it as no more hazardous than alcohol.

What I want made legal is the right to own a fully working tank and ammo. Have you seen the idiots on the road? I want to be able to defend myself.

My preference would be a lazer cannon.


You all think small....

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:03:23 PM   
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I would like to note that the thread title was taken from the title of the article in the OP, so is not attacking posters.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:05:12 PM   
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Yes, he declares, marijuana caused 1987 rail tragedy
"If the joint hadn't been there, I wouldn't have been so inattentive"

Your problem is you're confusing "pot" with "operating a train while smoking pot". One of them is potentially dangerous and should be banned or heavily regulated. The other is the topic of this thread. Thanks for your attention!

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't personally use, but absolutely believe it should be legal and am an advocate for legalizing. Its far safer than any other recreational drug out there, and the medicinal benefits are staggering. The war in drugs is big business. Marijuana possesion is a large contributor to victimless crimes, which I'm not a fan of. If you haven't seen this, its an excellent documentary.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:13:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pot, alcohol, cell phones, laptops, 'pads' and a host of other things need to be illegal, In Operated Cars. What keeps being lost in the discussion in the remarkably punitive American Culture is the costs of enforcement usually are less palatable than the problem it 'solves'. Prohibition is widely seen as an abject failure. It's dysfunction was minor compared to the massive social damage the War on Drugs has caused. When perspective goes out the window, problems simply multiply, nothing gets better. Europe has roughly 1/10 the addiction rate and drug problem as the US due to a policy of Damage Limitation. A simple social engineering analysis is done as opposed to the continual rebirth of morality based punishment seen here.
Recent studies indicate tetrahydrocannabinol damage to growing Central Nervous Systems (Pre-teen/adolescent) is far greater than advocates like to acknowledge. Convincing juveniles of this probably is a Sisyphean Task. Pot can't do as much damage as incarceration in the US penal system!

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:16:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		He could have just as easily been drunk or under the influence of any other drug, even some prescribed to him and legal. Even if it was a legally prescribed drug that caused drowsiness, it would still be illegal to be the operator of a train, airplane, bulldozer, and i would even say a regular car.


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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 3:21:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
Yes, he declares, marijuana caused 1987 rail tragedy
"If the joint hadn't been there, I wouldn't have been so inattentive"

Your problem is you're confusing "pot" with "operating a train while smoking pot". One of them is potentially dangerous and should be banned or heavily regulated. The other is the topic of this thread. Thanks for your attention!

Hear,hear

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 4:57:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The article's author is one angry individual. I thought pot smokers were supposed to be chill and mellow?

One of the things he doesn't mention in the article is so-called "contact high." Personally, I have a very strong reaction to pot smoke in general vicinity: fuzzy thinking, splitting headaches, etc. While I support legalizing things in theory, if smoking pot becomes as legal as, say, smoking cigarettes, I'd have to leave the house in a gas mask. The other drugs don't have the same effect on passers-by: if a guy standing next to me in line is drinking from his flask, or snorting some coke, or doing meth, it does not affect me. Secondhand smoke from cigarettes can be harmful, but if I accidentally inhale some, it won't mess me up for the next few days, the way pot smoke would...

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 5:03:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WebWanderer
The article's author is one angry individual. I thought pot smokers were supposed to be chill and mellow?

Lame overgeneralizations are almost always wrong, just like this one. (See the irony I used there?!)

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One of the things he doesn't mention in the article is so-called "contact high."

That's because it's a myth.
It's also because he understands that legalizing something doesn't legalize blowing it in other people's faces, or smoking in their house against their permission, even if you COULD get high from smelling the smoke.

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ORIGINAL: WebWanderer
fuzzy thinking

I agree with you there.

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ORIGINAL: WebWandererI'd have to leave the house in a gas mask.

Again, nobody is suggesting we legalize smoking in other people's houses without their permission.

Your arguments against are flimsy and tired. Clearly your emotional response is ruling over your critical thinking skills.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 5:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not only are you an asshole if you still think pot should be illegal, but you have NO respect for principles of individual liberty that made this nation strong and no clue as to what prohibition does to breed corruption, create organized crime, and destroy families, careers, reputations, and innovations. The very idea of destroying people to keep them from destroying themselves is insane.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 6:06:34 PM   
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Not only are you an asshole if you still think pot should be illegal, but you have NO respect for principles of individual liberty that made this nation strong and no clue as to what prohibition does to breed corruption, create organized crime, and destroy families, careers, reputations, and innovations. The very idea of destroying people to keep them from destroying themselves is insane.


Right on the money!

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 6:19:53 PM   
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The very idea of destroying people to keep them from destroying themselves is insane.

THIS! People get over 'recreational drugs. They don't get over what the 'Justice System' does to them.
To date, The War on Drugs has made America the most imprisoned society on the planet, possibly ever; corrupted every level of government in the Western Hemisphere if not the planet; and made pot cost more than gold. Heroin prices continue to decline and the actually dangerous coke, ice and the new designer drugs are cheap and available in every school, bar and neighborhood in the nation. There may be More drugs cheaper in the prisons housing all those being taught drugs are a bad idea.

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RE: If you still think pot should be illegal, you are a... - 9/24/2013 7:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay if it is legal to own a flame thrower, buy 100% alcohol to drink, wtf is wrong with legalizing pot?

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